Do you really want the answer? These fires are not “ natural” & it doesn’t take a genius to prove it. These “ wildfires” the last few
years have burned WAAAAY too hot to be wild or natural. Even the hottest of the hottest wildfires have only ever been recorded at 2,000 degrees. (Fahrenheit ) Guess what the temp. has to be to burn porcelain to ash?!
2381 degrees to 2455. Though it’s changing by the minute on Google.
Why aren’t there tubs and toilets all over these burned out homes? And why do ALL the homes show burning from the inside out? Never just a roof or part of a home. It’s always lit up with fire on the inside.
This has nothing to do with water being unavailable. It was unavailable on Maui too. You know why? You can’t fight electrical or microwave energy weapon fires with water. It would make it all too clear that these fires are D.E.W. fires. They burned so hot in Lahaina that metal roiled down the street like a creek. No natural fire can do that, even with historic winds and the driest of brush. It’s impossible.
I must disagree with you. I have no knowledge of how or why these big fires started. But, what I do know is history. These kinds of fires were common throughout the 1800s. Explorers of the Western territory during that century described massive fires. There was no fire suppression or Forest management. The great Ansel Adams wrote about and photographed tremendous fires during his travels. You can search the history of fires in the US and look for it for yourself. What makes today's fires so destructive is human development, especially in wealthy areas, which are destroyed. We built on land with a high fire risk, just like on land with a high risk of flooding.
What caused the LA fire is suspect. I would guess arson by terror groups, I think they even caught a few. But, I agree that we don't get any information and this creates suspicion as the government has no interest in helping anyone but themselves. So, it's very understandable to begin finding nefarious narratives to explain these tragic events. We always end up with more questions than answers. I don't doubt that the government or people in it are purposely creating disasters just as they do wars.
yep, let's consider the Great Chicago Fire, the London fire after the Plague years in the 1600's. . . both mostly burned these entire cities to a crisp.
Closer to home Red...1910 San fran Cat 8 Earthquake rip sheared the ground and heaved it up like torn paper. The roads impassible. Starting fires with truly "0" fire suppression. Wood Framed SF burned almost all the way to the bay.
Think of that in LA?
How would folks ever be able to evacuate town without any highways intact?
Much of California is a fire ecosystem. It evolved over thousands of years to burn, renew the soil, grow a revived ecosystem until it ages, fuel builds up, and then it burns again. But ordinary people wouldn't know this.
Yes, there are many suspicious things, like the water reservoir being empty. And it makes me wonder if "those in charge" know that wildfires are inevitable, so why not help it along instead of managing things properly? California's website talks about fire ecosystems and how they should be managed, but they don't do it.
Fires HAVE always happened, but not like this. In Lahaina, it was obviously targeted direct energy because BLUE EVERYTHING was left untouched. No kidding. Cars, outdoor umbrellas, recycle bins, etc. Look at pictures, if they haven’t scrubbed them. After you see the truth, you just can’t unsee it🙈
Trees were burning from the inside, as were houses.
Your posts are so right ALRS. They are BANKING THE LAND in beautiful spots for their use generations down the road, after the peons have been warehoused and the middle class has been destroyed. They're starting on the kulaks, er, farmers, now, destroying herds and flocks. Our Constitution is at risk every day, and if they get that they succeed.
D.E.W. ( Directed Energy Weapons ) are quite possibly cargo deployed as HIGH ALTITUDE BALLOONS above airline flight lanes. Many are launched easy and outta sight in Antarctica.
Who ever looks up for any object that is not possible to see from the ground level, anyway ?
Such delivery platforms, contrary to unexamined beLIEfs, can be steered and maneuvered and NASA has been using them for DECADES to ‘replace’ satellite deliveries instead of much more expensive and more complicated RAPID rocketry. ( not like Musk’s fake CGI )
This is an unfamiliar technology kept fairly under wraps due to its SECRET weaponization capabilities. NASA has launched balloons which You Gube videos report to be capable of lifting 8,000 ponds ! Who knows what the real payload capabilities are today … and what could these be used for “down below.” Perhaps, deniable High-tech. Gov’t terrorism$ to obtain certain objectives without informing the public ? Hey!
Meanwhile, what’s been found in your ‘vaccines’ that’s not provided by the LACK of truthful INFORMED CONSENT ? Oh, my bad. Poly-trick-all govt.s BS didn’t feel that was necessary to do.
LIES of omission can be the deadliest. And I’ll betcha
militarized NASA and the Pentagon’s ‘top’ brass have loads of black project secrets ‘without’ CONgressional awarene$$.
So, denial is the easiest path to take in the Minds’ eye when confronted with unsavory purposes of inconvenient engineering FOR terrorism.
And, while you’re here, how come no LARGE, indestructible commercial airline parts were left as evidenceS at the PentaGONE the day of 9/11 ? You know, like engineS, crumpled wingS, landing gearS, etc. Oops. But a govt. would never lie to its citizens. Right ?
Take off the blinders and start looking beyond the Propaganda … or just suck on the sNewZzzz juice.
Is this why people reported seeing NASA vehicles in Lahaina after Aug. 8, 2023? Were they there measuring the poison/toxicity of the town after they burned it?
Oh really? You need to investigate her a little deeper. She is all for FISA-702 spying on Americans, just like Kash. She's not competent to fill the position either. Like cults? she and her entire family belong to one.
1) She co-sponsored a bill in support of a two-state solution.
2) When Obama refused to veto a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlement policies, Gabbard opposed a measure to criticize him citing “the harmful impact Israeli settlement activity has on prospects for peace.”
3) Gabbard voted in favor of the JCPOA – the agreement that allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons. She later criticized President Trump for withdrawing from the JCPOA saying he was “setting the stage for a war with Iran.”
4) When the Assad regime launched rockets carrying the deadly nerve agent sarin into Damascus killing more than 1,400 people, Gabbard voted against the condemnation of Syria for war crimes and crimes against humanity and against military action. She also criticized Trump for firing cruise missiles on Syria.
5) Gabbard was a co-sponsor of Rep. Ilan Omar’s bill in support of the right to boycott Israel and refused to censure Omar’ antisemitic statements.
6) Gabbard criticized President Donald Trump’s confrontational stance toward Beijing and warned about the downsides of escalating tensions with China. She says a cooperative relationship is needed instead to confront global challenges.
7) Gabbard highlights her record as a lifelong environmentalist and campaigner for action on climate change, including proposals for sweeping legislation on clean energy. She has spoken in favor of many aspects of the Green New Deal framework.
8) Gabbard is a skeptic of multinational trade deals, which she argues have led to large U.S. job losses, lower wages, and a loss of U.S. sovereignty. She also opposes Trump’s trade war with China.
9) Gabbard’s campaign has been centered on the need to avoid “regime change wars” in the Middle East, while also advocating further steps to fight Islamist radicalism.
10) Gabbard is broadly noninterventionist, arguing that the United States should not use its military power to reshape other countries’ political systems, but rather should use diplomacy to find common ground and avoid war even with the most intransigent adversaries.
Obvious anti-Semite thinking Bibi has anything to do with the choices by Trump. His first born is doing a lot of the choosing and he's not the brightest leaf off the tree.
Wasn't talking about Trump or even Gabbard. I was noting how much of your argument against Gabbard centers around foreign affairs rather than what's best for Americans. "Gabbard is broadly noninterventionist." Well, so were the founders of our country, who advised us not to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. Trade with all, alliances with none. Seems more important than ever with our infrastructure--like reservoirs--collapsing around us, John Leake's subject here.
The reservoirs and the 4 dams destroyed by Newsom all are centered around UN Agenda 21 and the rewilding of the land. Those who worry about fish and animals being extinct, are really aiming to make humanity extinct. And yes, Gabbard doesn't believe in messing with other countries, that's a good point for her, but the rest is garbage. She was spied on by the airlines, but she still wants the gov to spy on us.
I don't agree, not even DEWs can develop that much heat at a distance since any energy propagates by reducing its intensity with the square of the distance I think someone should have seen large self-powered power plants powered by fuel oil on dozens of truck wheels... which in turn powered machines and directional antennas the size of a basketball court, the antennas must be huge otherwise they would burn too. I agree that something unnatural must have caused these fires a little too uniformly distributed even on the coasts near the water. Instead for porcelain I would think even more so that a directed energy weapon cannot be the cause of its melting, but perhaps the rich don't use porcelain anymore because it's too cold and heavy and prefer the latest generation composite materials that make them look trendier, however when a strong fire surrounds something and raises the temperature enough everything that contains carbon (but not porcelain) everything becomes comburent. Perhaps those who set fire had exploited the lack of water in the basins and perhaps the wind changed direction enough to make the fire increasingly larger. and perhaps the wind changed direction enough to make the fire bigger and bigger.
Not questioning the possibility of unnatural intervention but do reconsider the heat generated by fires. Alloy wheels, alloy engine blocks, glass, do melt in fires on a regular basis. Bone can be and is turned to ash. Check out the history of forest fires in Australia. Seen such damage with my own eyes.
You may be right, but weren't winds a major factor in these recent fires? Almost hurricane force at times, I've heard. Wouldn't such winds have an effect like bellows in a forge?
Hurricane winds would ( could) burn at 2,000 degrees, max. Ceramics & porcelain burn a lot higher. Even if half the homes had “ nicer” toilets, & tubs, not plastic junk, we would see some. It’s not a guess, it’s a fact.
While no ceramics expert, I do have a couple of engineering degrees and have taken advanced materials classes. thermal shock is caused by rapid temperatures changes in part of the ceramic material. This causes the rapidly heated material to expand or rapidly cooled material to contract faster than material further away from the temperature source change. This creates uneven mechanical stress that is released by fracturing. Once they break they create smaller pieces that can heat more uniformly without fracturing. So in a rapid fire, you should expect to see a lot of broken ceramics, not pulverized. Ceramics can withstand very high heats and maintain structural integrity, but rapidly changing temperatures cause stress cracking not disintegration.
and ceilings, roofs collapsing, with walls falling in on top of them?
i did watch on you tube how easily those toilets break with just a "tap" of a hammer. the strength of the toilet wasn't very impressive to me at all.
i'll grant you that hitting an object with a hammer is different then with say wood. but it would have to hold up the weight after the initial hit too.
from what i have seen tubs are mostly plastic / fiberglass now a days
and kitchen dinning plates are thinner than what i saw of the toilet.
Sadly, most people don't understand that this was not incompetence on the part of the people who run the state of California or the city of Los Angeles. This was all planned and coordinated.
Yes and they complain of drought! They have had wettest years! They should be growing food! And nothing should have burned this hot- and they should have filled every basin possible! But it was by design let it burn
Remember that the Palisades folks are wealthy. They will simply rebuild and will not likely succumb to victimhood.
I have to say that I doubt TPTB set the Palisades Fire. Nothing about it is odd to those of use who have lived (barely; had a touch of PTSD after the first) though the massive 2003 and 2007 San Diego wildfires. In less than an hour, a stupidly set remote signal fire from the evening before advanced over 26 miles to destroy over 2200 homes in Scripps Ranch. It jumped a 14+ lane freeway with a large center median. There were 15 deaths, and would have been many more if the winds had shifted. There were totally inexplicable hits and misses, bizarre things unscathed in the midst of a charred landscape. Mismanagement? 100%. DEI hires? No doubt. Water mismanagement and shortage? Reservoirs empty for months? Yep, and not more than a drop of rain in 9 months. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED to clear the brush around our homes, despite losing our insurances due to fire risks because it is allegedly a kangaroo rat and gnat catcher habitat. Where's their habitat now? And BTW, I have yet to find a rat that couldn't find a way to survive. Environmentalists have obliterated any common sense regulations from smelt to rats. Were the many others arson or from the homeless encampments? Even set? Very possibly. But the "signals" that Palisades was intentionally set simply do not add up in my mind.I hope I'm right, because this is probably the only time I haven't had my tinfoil hat on waaaay too tight.
Response to a skeptic on another site. “Those wildfires supposedly were so hot they melted steel and porcelain toilets.” Yes indeed they do. In SD 2007 (known source) fire, our 2 large steel storage containers were utterly destroyed, literally melted into heaps, shards of porcelain toilets (we were storing for a remodel) everywhere like a bomb had exploded, yet some small porcelain figurines were only scorched (irreparably damaged though). Pyrex shattered or folded over like a pretzel. IDK how hot it has to be to melt Pyrex, but melt it did. Stands of bamboo, avocado and oak trees burnt to below ground but citrus and other trees completely unfazed, despite having not been watered and being burnt underneath right up to their trunks. The force of those winds and intensity of the fires is unfathomable. Comment is only on the Palisade’s fire. IDK about the others. TPTB typically target those who cannot resist. I don’t see an end game In Palisades.
Who set it is irrelevant, as far as preventing fires like these. Fires are gonna happen, one way or another. Naturally, or by arson. Millions of people live there, to think there aren't going to be a few who want to start a fire is dreaming. What you need to do is make sure they aren't so destructive.
It reminds me of the advice to seniors on how to avoid breaking their hip, which usually amounts to advice on how to avoid falling. Sure, if you're frail, that's all you can do. What's far better is to be sturdy, with strong bones. My Mom was active her whole life, ate good food, and lived to be 100. She fell a LOT. Usually when drunk, she had that problem. She'd get bloody and bruised, but never broke anything. I fell 16 feet putting up a ladder stand, and when I hit the ground, thought "I seem OK, is it possible to fall this far and get up like nothing happened?" Well, yes, that's what I did. I hopped off the side of my F150 tailgate a few years ago at the age of 72, forgot about the cables, they caught my ankle, and I fell smack onto my hip on solid concrete - I had no time to change position to mitigate my fall, as I did with the 16 foot drop, when I made sure to land on my shoulder. I figured, shit, this has got to be bad, really bad. But only for a few seconds, then I realized I could get right up and was just bruised and scraped up. The lesson is - shit happens. Be able to handle it. Like controlled burns and other forest management, and water might help.
Thanks, that was a shocker. What a relief to stand up after that happened. My wife's really a better example. I was looking right at her, horrified, as she tripped on a root or rock when our dog (she had the leash) lunged after something and she went flying DOWNslope onto a boulder-strewn trail. I was already wondering how my son and I would be able to get her off the mountain. Should'a known, she walked off, bruised but unbroken. She fell off a stepladder trimming bushes, again just banged up. Solid as a rock under her svelteness. Her younger sister, who had the opposite lifestyle as my wife, would break bones and not even know how she did it. Sadly, we lost her sister this year, her frail body basically just gave out, heart failure was the official diagnosis. What you do every day to be able to withstand whatever, matters. And the big guy should have the leash on the downslopes, not the pretty little woman.
Apparently, it wasn't just the empty reservoir - some of the fire trucks were not ready to go because they had not done proper maintenance (despite a very generous budget). The thinking probably goes like "hey when we want to virtue signal we can donate our surplus equipment to Ukraine, but if you cut our budget we'll make sure you feel the pain by not doing maintenance for the fire trucks".
Yep, right in front of everyone’s faces! Siloed city employees did not see extent of sabotage: hydrants were not being tested, drained reservoir water was solely for fire suppression, electricity was not turned off during high winds. Similar set up as Lahaina and Paradise. Except LA was worse! The city was fining residents who cleared brush from properties, no one entity was clearing brush overgrowth around and under power lines. There are videos of arsonists and looters ( dressed as firefighters) who came out after fires started. Biden flew in, planes were grounded for the day, holding up firefighting for a day. How much more insults? The mayor is all smiles, telling residents they will get through this. Sure! land acquisition to rebuild for hosting the 2028 Olympics. Never keep eyes off overarching intention.
Because Californians haven’t seen “ Chinatown” , Logan’s Run”, “ Soylent Green”, “ The Parallax View”, “ The Manchurian Candidate”, “ The Stepford Wives” rot read “ Brave New World”, “1984l, “ Fahrenheit”, “ Catch 2/“, “ Animal Farm” “ The Media Is The Massage” or been properly educated in American and World History.
They've been pulling out for years! Had to use CA FAIR plan (that has no liability BTW, when the looters get singed raiding your home during evacuation orders) back in the 1980's. It's ongoing, not at all recent although has accelerated in the past 5 years.
Whatever the ignition reason had they been practicing forestry it could not have happened. I’ve got a friend who lives in Brentwood. Brush hasn’t been cleared in 40 years. A cascade of events much like a plane crash. Elections have consequences. The toxins from what burned is being breathed in and will affect the water and soil forever. Just like 9/11. I sure hope those firefighters have the proper safety equipment.
Thank you! Those d--n kangaroo rats and gnat catchers can move somewhere else, IMO. They're protected, and that's why homes and lives were lost. Laws prevent clearing the brush is environmentalism run amok.
While I agree that the reservoirs should have been repaired and filled. it probably would not have made much difference. Unless you have been on a rural fire truck that carries its own water supply you do not realise how quickly the water can be used up. A truck carrying around 2500 gallons of water will use it all in 1/2 hour or so. In bush fire fighting you rely on private or public dams for water. Identification of water sources at a fire scene is one of the necessary jobs and for a large fire a relay from the water source to operating fire trucks may be set up to minimise time away from extinguishing the fire.
For AlmostLastRepublicanSeattle, modern homes have large picture windows and contain large amounts of combustible materials. Radiation from an established fire through the windows can be sufficient to ignite materials such as curtains, soft furniture etc even if the building envelope has not been breached. Intense heat can also crack windows and allow entry of flame. Thus a house fire may appear to have been deliberately started inside. This might suggest that a DEW has been used to start the fire but the natural radiant energy from a particularly intense fire being driven by strong dry winds such as has occurred in LA is more than enough for this type of ignition to occur.
The 3 water tanks held 1 M gallons each. The reservoir's capacity was 117 M gal. Or 39 times the amount of water that was actually available. That might not have been enough to fully extinguish the blaze but I suspect it would have made a significant difference to how many buildings survived
My point was that the amount of water needed to extinguish a fire is very large. For example I attended a small fire which had started at a rural property and had been blown along to edge of a road Aomori the boundary of the property. Altogether it had burnt about 1 acre of grass. 5 fire trucks from local brigades had arrived and it took all of us about 1 hour to put out e fire and we all refilled at least once. In addition to that it was necessary for a truck from the closest fire station to monitor the fire for about 24-48 hours to make sure that it was fully extinguished. Water usage in fire fighting is huge and although 117 million gallons seems a lot of water ,it is small in relation to the magnitude of the LA fires. I do know that there are other reservoirs., but these proved insufficient for the job at hand.
The sooner you put a fire out, the less the fire spreads, and the less water you need. The CA/LA authorities let it spread for days, then claim it was so big no amount of water could have extinguished it.
Sorry, but no they didn't let it spread. You have to experience the intensity of the winds and fires to completely understand the ferocity. Zero rain for 9 months, zero brush mitigation (kangaroo rats and gnat catchers, ya know), and 80+ MPH winds and the end result is absolutely predictable.
I'm not saying the firefighters intentionally let it spread. I'm saying that having an empty 117 million gallon reservoir above Pacific Palisades (which even Newsome now admits) and no pressure in the hydrants allowed it to spread. Surely getting plenty of water on it early would have done some good--as it did at Caruso's shopping center and at least one private home? Certainly agree about the lack of brush control--I understand a fire official said deadwood had piled up for 65 years since the last fire.
Oh, but doncha know that the salt water might damage the future brush habitat for the kangaroo rats and gnat catchers? /s Wonder if any survived? /s Trust me, they'll let it grow back again and continue to ban you from clearing it.
Truth. Several photos of homes appearing completely unscathed, but burning down from the inside in San Diego 2003 and 2007 first. Drapes were often the culprit; that, and roof vents.
Intense fires are being fueled by nano aluminum that has accumulated in the soil and vegetation over the last decade. Rain water testing has shown over 2000 times the maximum contaminant level for nano aluminum, as well as strontium and barium. These metals are coincidentally listed in several patents on methods of weather modification.
Love these analogies. Yes, we are the punch line in a campy movie. And people will learn absolutely nothing. And vote blue no matter who. What is this compared to the Scamdemic? What about the Senator whose 17 year old daughter died in her sleep and he remains a fervent jab supporter? How was the Scamdemic not even mentioned during the successive elections? If aliens exist, they must be unable to comprehend our stupidity. There is a large segment of the population, especially those lovely blue folks, who will NEVER admit to a single thing being wrong or corrupt. To do so would shatter their world view and decimate their smugnorance. The pain would be unbearable.
I was thinking about that Senator;( like hotez and his autistic daughter- could never admit they as parents harmed or screwed up their children. It’s a tough pill to swallow- and I have been saying same thing- if these people who took the jab were told by govt that govt was wrong- what would they do? They would live in fear, lose mind, and maybe do something rash like protest or worse!
Thanks for writing this. The parallels with the CDC telling everyone, including pregnant women, that the experimental gene jabs are "safe and effective" comes rather blazingly to mind.
Yes, a lot of tax-paying citizens had to find out the hard way (--how 'bout that myocarditis, aFib, stroke, clots, kidney failure, neuropathy, brain fog, tinnitus, etc & etc & etc--) that some of their government officials will scoop up their yummy salary and benefits while not actually giving a possum's poop for their actual responsibilities, not even for the lives of said citizens.
It cannot possibly in any way shape or form have helped the fire departments there in So Ca to have lost so many experienced firefighters over those idiotic mandates.
And many of those people in Southern California who lost their houses were vaxxed to the max, and even if physically well themselves, they had to have been coping with a large number of deaths and debilities in their families-- even f they didn't "connect the dots" to the vaxxes-- they would have been having a very hard time. Anyone who is ill, or caring for someone who is ill-- especially someone with dementia or problems with the GI tract or problems walking-- will be able to imagine the horror of, on top of all that nightmare, then losing one's home in a fire.
A lot of pictures taken of these “wild fires”, they show cars incinerated, melted aluminum, twisted steel, melted glass. Interesting, some of these cars are sitting in the driveway or on the street or an empty lot, all by themselves, away from the inferno, yet they burnt to a crisp. If you believe these fires are normal most likely you also believe the twin towers were brought down by jet airplanes.
Just FYI, we saw the same thing in the San Diego 2003 and 2007 fires of known source. Questioning many things lately, but this is not that unusual. Nor are green trees amongst the charred landscape. Happened then too.
Do you really want the answer? These fires are not “ natural” & it doesn’t take a genius to prove it. These “ wildfires” the last few
years have burned WAAAAY too hot to be wild or natural. Even the hottest of the hottest wildfires have only ever been recorded at 2,000 degrees. (Fahrenheit ) Guess what the temp. has to be to burn porcelain to ash?!
2381 degrees to 2455. Though it’s changing by the minute on Google.
Why aren’t there tubs and toilets all over these burned out homes? And why do ALL the homes show burning from the inside out? Never just a roof or part of a home. It’s always lit up with fire on the inside.
This has nothing to do with water being unavailable. It was unavailable on Maui too. You know why? You can’t fight electrical or microwave energy weapon fires with water. It would make it all too clear that these fires are D.E.W. fires. They burned so hot in Lahaina that metal roiled down the street like a creek. No natural fire can do that, even with historic winds and the driest of brush. It’s impossible.
Calculated evil.
Yep! Anything to usher in those 15-minute cities. Ugh!
Here's a 15-minute city apartment for rent down South:
https://www.newworldhumor.com/p/dystopian-housing-satire-2030-apartment-ad
WHERE is tara. . . and cara?!
I must disagree with you. I have no knowledge of how or why these big fires started. But, what I do know is history. These kinds of fires were common throughout the 1800s. Explorers of the Western territory during that century described massive fires. There was no fire suppression or Forest management. The great Ansel Adams wrote about and photographed tremendous fires during his travels. You can search the history of fires in the US and look for it for yourself. What makes today's fires so destructive is human development, especially in wealthy areas, which are destroyed. We built on land with a high fire risk, just like on land with a high risk of flooding.
What caused the LA fire is suspect. I would guess arson by terror groups, I think they even caught a few. But, I agree that we don't get any information and this creates suspicion as the government has no interest in helping anyone but themselves. So, it's very understandable to begin finding nefarious narratives to explain these tragic events. We always end up with more questions than answers. I don't doubt that the government or people in it are purposely creating disasters just as they do wars.
yep, let's consider the Great Chicago Fire, the London fire after the Plague years in the 1600's. . . both mostly burned these entire cities to a crisp.
and then there is Naomi's take on this:
https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/what-is-a-war
Holy Crapp!
Closer to home Red...1910 San fran Cat 8 Earthquake rip sheared the ground and heaved it up like torn paper. The roads impassible. Starting fires with truly "0" fire suppression. Wood Framed SF burned almost all the way to the bay.
Think of that in LA?
How would folks ever be able to evacuate town without any highways intact?
Much of California is a fire ecosystem. It evolved over thousands of years to burn, renew the soil, grow a revived ecosystem until it ages, fuel builds up, and then it burns again. But ordinary people wouldn't know this.
Yes, there are many suspicious things, like the water reservoir being empty. And it makes me wonder if "those in charge" know that wildfires are inevitable, so why not help it along instead of managing things properly? California's website talks about fire ecosystems and how they should be managed, but they don't do it.
Is this gross incompetence or something worse?
Didn’t Trump offer to get the system upgraded some years back?
Fires HAVE always happened, but not like this. In Lahaina, it was obviously targeted direct energy because BLUE EVERYTHING was left untouched. No kidding. Cars, outdoor umbrellas, recycle bins, etc. Look at pictures, if they haven’t scrubbed them. After you see the truth, you just can’t unsee it🙈
The blue stuff exists now in Malibu, Topanga, PP.
Trees were burning from the inside, as were houses.
Your posts are so right ALRS. They are BANKING THE LAND in beautiful spots for their use generations down the road, after the peons have been warehoused and the middle class has been destroyed. They're starting on the kulaks, er, farmers, now, destroying herds and flocks. Our Constitution is at risk every day, and if they get that they succeed.
Darn right you are !
D.E.W. ( Directed Energy Weapons ) are quite possibly cargo deployed as HIGH ALTITUDE BALLOONS above airline flight lanes. Many are launched easy and outta sight in Antarctica.
Who ever looks up for any object that is not possible to see from the ground level, anyway ?
Such delivery platforms, contrary to unexamined beLIEfs, can be steered and maneuvered and NASA has been using them for DECADES to ‘replace’ satellite deliveries instead of much more expensive and more complicated RAPID rocketry. ( not like Musk’s fake CGI )
This is an unfamiliar technology kept fairly under wraps due to its SECRET weaponization capabilities. NASA has launched balloons which You Gube videos report to be capable of lifting 8,000 ponds ! Who knows what the real payload capabilities are today … and what could these be used for “down below.” Perhaps, deniable High-tech. Gov’t terrorism$ to obtain certain objectives without informing the public ? Hey!
Meanwhile, what’s been found in your ‘vaccines’ that’s not provided by the LACK of truthful INFORMED CONSENT ? Oh, my bad. Poly-trick-all govt.s BS didn’t feel that was necessary to do.
LIES of omission can be the deadliest. And I’ll betcha
militarized NASA and the Pentagon’s ‘top’ brass have loads of black project secrets ‘without’ CONgressional awarene$$.
So, denial is the easiest path to take in the Minds’ eye when confronted with unsavory purposes of inconvenient engineering FOR terrorism.
And, while you’re here, how come no LARGE, indestructible commercial airline parts were left as evidenceS at the PentaGONE the day of 9/11 ? You know, like engineS, crumpled wingS, landing gearS, etc. Oops. But a govt. would never lie to its citizens. Right ?
Take off the blinders and start looking beyond the Propaganda … or just suck on the sNewZzzz juice.
It’s sooooo easy and much easier to swallow.
It’s soooo com f o r t i …
Is this why people reported seeing NASA vehicles in Lahaina after Aug. 8, 2023? Were they there measuring the poison/toxicity of the town after they burned it?
Oh really? You need to investigate her a little deeper. She is all for FISA-702 spying on Americans, just like Kash. She's not competent to fill the position either. Like cults? she and her entire family belong to one.
1) She co-sponsored a bill in support of a two-state solution.
2) When Obama refused to veto a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlement policies, Gabbard opposed a measure to criticize him citing “the harmful impact Israeli settlement activity has on prospects for peace.”
3) Gabbard voted in favor of the JCPOA – the agreement that allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons. She later criticized President Trump for withdrawing from the JCPOA saying he was “setting the stage for a war with Iran.”
4) When the Assad regime launched rockets carrying the deadly nerve agent sarin into Damascus killing more than 1,400 people, Gabbard voted against the condemnation of Syria for war crimes and crimes against humanity and against military action. She also criticized Trump for firing cruise missiles on Syria.
5) Gabbard was a co-sponsor of Rep. Ilan Omar’s bill in support of the right to boycott Israel and refused to censure Omar’ antisemitic statements.
More on Gabbard’s disturbing views here.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/views-on-israel-of-u-s-presidential-candidates-2020-tulsi-gabbard
6) Gabbard criticized President Donald Trump’s confrontational stance toward Beijing and warned about the downsides of escalating tensions with China. She says a cooperative relationship is needed instead to confront global challenges.
7) Gabbard highlights her record as a lifelong environmentalist and campaigner for action on climate change, including proposals for sweeping legislation on clean energy. She has spoken in favor of many aspects of the Green New Deal framework.
8) Gabbard is a skeptic of multinational trade deals, which she argues have led to large U.S. job losses, lower wages, and a loss of U.S. sovereignty. She also opposes Trump’s trade war with China.
9) Gabbard’s campaign has been centered on the need to avoid “regime change wars” in the Middle East, while also advocating further steps to fight Islamist radicalism.
10) Gabbard is broadly noninterventionist, arguing that the United States should not use its military power to reshape other countries’ political systems, but rather should use diplomacy to find common ground and avoid war even with the most intransigent adversaries.
So in other words, Bibi says no.
Obvious anti-Semite thinking Bibi has anything to do with the choices by Trump. His first born is doing a lot of the choosing and he's not the brightest leaf off the tree.
Wasn't talking about Trump or even Gabbard. I was noting how much of your argument against Gabbard centers around foreign affairs rather than what's best for Americans. "Gabbard is broadly noninterventionist." Well, so were the founders of our country, who advised us not to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. Trade with all, alliances with none. Seems more important than ever with our infrastructure--like reservoirs--collapsing around us, John Leake's subject here.
Thank you for your input, I’ll take your thoughts into consideration.
The reservoirs and the 4 dams destroyed by Newsom all are centered around UN Agenda 21 and the rewilding of the land. Those who worry about fish and animals being extinct, are really aiming to make humanity extinct. And yes, Gabbard doesn't believe in messing with other countries, that's a good point for her, but the rest is garbage. She was spied on by the airlines, but she still wants the gov to spy on us.
I don't agree, not even DEWs can develop that much heat at a distance since any energy propagates by reducing its intensity with the square of the distance I think someone should have seen large self-powered power plants powered by fuel oil on dozens of truck wheels... which in turn powered machines and directional antennas the size of a basketball court, the antennas must be huge otherwise they would burn too. I agree that something unnatural must have caused these fires a little too uniformly distributed even on the coasts near the water. Instead for porcelain I would think even more so that a directed energy weapon cannot be the cause of its melting, but perhaps the rich don't use porcelain anymore because it's too cold and heavy and prefer the latest generation composite materials that make them look trendier, however when a strong fire surrounds something and raises the temperature enough everything that contains carbon (but not porcelain) everything becomes comburent. Perhaps those who set fire had exploited the lack of water in the basins and perhaps the wind changed direction enough to make the fire increasingly larger. and perhaps the wind changed direction enough to make the fire bigger and bigger.
Dude. Two things.
1. Punctuation.
2. EVERYONE has porcelain toilets. Please try not to be full of shit.
"Please try not to be full of shit."
You should take your own advice.
comburent
Hey, I learned a new word today! thanks.
Exactly. The people posting that it is natural because of a “drought” or whatever need to be sequestered from their CNN and MSNBC.
There is a reason CNN pays every airport big bucks to show them 24/7 on all the tvs
Not questioning the possibility of unnatural intervention but do reconsider the heat generated by fires. Alloy wheels, alloy engine blocks, glass, do melt in fires on a regular basis. Bone can be and is turned to ash. Check out the history of forest fires in Australia. Seen such damage with my own eyes.
You may be right, but weren't winds a major factor in these recent fires? Almost hurricane force at times, I've heard. Wouldn't such winds have an effect like bellows in a forge?
Hurricane winds would ( could) burn at 2,000 degrees, max. Ceramics & porcelain burn a lot higher. Even if half the homes had “ nicer” toilets, & tubs, not plastic junk, we would see some. It’s not a guess, it’s a fact.
Why aren’t there tubs and toilets all over these burned out homes? "
". . . because 90% are fibreglas!
And the porcelain ones do indeed explode into sharp shards in fires. Personal experience.
Your comment is unsupported conjecture, not proof.
are you sure it wasn't caused by thermal shock?
https://digitalfire.com/glossary/thermal+shock
While no ceramics expert, I do have a couple of engineering degrees and have taken advanced materials classes. thermal shock is caused by rapid temperatures changes in part of the ceramic material. This causes the rapidly heated material to expand or rapidly cooled material to contract faster than material further away from the temperature source change. This creates uneven mechanical stress that is released by fracturing. Once they break they create smaller pieces that can heat more uniformly without fracturing. So in a rapid fire, you should expect to see a lot of broken ceramics, not pulverized. Ceramics can withstand very high heats and maintain structural integrity, but rapidly changing temperatures cause stress cracking not disintegration.
and ceilings, roofs collapsing, with walls falling in on top of them?
i did watch on you tube how easily those toilets break with just a "tap" of a hammer. the strength of the toilet wasn't very impressive to me at all.
i'll grant you that hitting an object with a hammer is different then with say wood. but it would have to hold up the weight after the initial hit too.
from what i have seen tubs are mostly plastic / fiberglass now a days
and kitchen dinning plates are thinner than what i saw of the toilet.
Sadly, most people don't understand that this was not incompetence on the part of the people who run the state of California or the city of Los Angeles. This was all planned and coordinated.
And since 2021 the reservoir water was circumvented to the ocean
Yes and they complain of drought! They have had wettest years! They should be growing food! And nothing should have burned this hot- and they should have filled every basin possible! But it was by design let it burn
If there was a plan, it seems it relied on their competence.
So that rather large pond was empty for a year and the Governor didn’t notice it.
What does that Governor really DEW?
Keep putting on hair gel.
And dance gleefully while talking about how he is reimagining LA city for 2028 ... while the fires are still burning.
Remember that the Palisades folks are wealthy. They will simply rebuild and will not likely succumb to victimhood.
I have to say that I doubt TPTB set the Palisades Fire. Nothing about it is odd to those of use who have lived (barely; had a touch of PTSD after the first) though the massive 2003 and 2007 San Diego wildfires. In less than an hour, a stupidly set remote signal fire from the evening before advanced over 26 miles to destroy over 2200 homes in Scripps Ranch. It jumped a 14+ lane freeway with a large center median. There were 15 deaths, and would have been many more if the winds had shifted. There were totally inexplicable hits and misses, bizarre things unscathed in the midst of a charred landscape. Mismanagement? 100%. DEI hires? No doubt. Water mismanagement and shortage? Reservoirs empty for months? Yep, and not more than a drop of rain in 9 months. WE ARE NOT ALLOWED to clear the brush around our homes, despite losing our insurances due to fire risks because it is allegedly a kangaroo rat and gnat catcher habitat. Where's their habitat now? And BTW, I have yet to find a rat that couldn't find a way to survive. Environmentalists have obliterated any common sense regulations from smelt to rats. Were the many others arson or from the homeless encampments? Even set? Very possibly. But the "signals" that Palisades was intentionally set simply do not add up in my mind.I hope I'm right, because this is probably the only time I haven't had my tinfoil hat on waaaay too tight.
Response to a skeptic on another site. “Those wildfires supposedly were so hot they melted steel and porcelain toilets.” Yes indeed they do. In SD 2007 (known source) fire, our 2 large steel storage containers were utterly destroyed, literally melted into heaps, shards of porcelain toilets (we were storing for a remodel) everywhere like a bomb had exploded, yet some small porcelain figurines were only scorched (irreparably damaged though). Pyrex shattered or folded over like a pretzel. IDK how hot it has to be to melt Pyrex, but melt it did. Stands of bamboo, avocado and oak trees burnt to below ground but citrus and other trees completely unfazed, despite having not been watered and being burnt underneath right up to their trunks. The force of those winds and intensity of the fires is unfathomable. Comment is only on the Palisade’s fire. IDK about the others. TPTB typically target those who cannot resist. I don’t see an end game In Palisades.
Who set it is irrelevant, as far as preventing fires like these. Fires are gonna happen, one way or another. Naturally, or by arson. Millions of people live there, to think there aren't going to be a few who want to start a fire is dreaming. What you need to do is make sure they aren't so destructive.
It reminds me of the advice to seniors on how to avoid breaking their hip, which usually amounts to advice on how to avoid falling. Sure, if you're frail, that's all you can do. What's far better is to be sturdy, with strong bones. My Mom was active her whole life, ate good food, and lived to be 100. She fell a LOT. Usually when drunk, she had that problem. She'd get bloody and bruised, but never broke anything. I fell 16 feet putting up a ladder stand, and when I hit the ground, thought "I seem OK, is it possible to fall this far and get up like nothing happened?" Well, yes, that's what I did. I hopped off the side of my F150 tailgate a few years ago at the age of 72, forgot about the cables, they caught my ankle, and I fell smack onto my hip on solid concrete - I had no time to change position to mitigate my fall, as I did with the 16 foot drop, when I made sure to land on my shoulder. I figured, shit, this has got to be bad, really bad. But only for a few seconds, then I realized I could get right up and was just bruised and scraped up. The lesson is - shit happens. Be able to handle it. Like controlled burns and other forest management, and water might help.
another great post, Steeler man.
Just thinking about you falling from your truck onto your hip "HurtS!" Geez.
Thanks, that was a shocker. What a relief to stand up after that happened. My wife's really a better example. I was looking right at her, horrified, as she tripped on a root or rock when our dog (she had the leash) lunged after something and she went flying DOWNslope onto a boulder-strewn trail. I was already wondering how my son and I would be able to get her off the mountain. Should'a known, she walked off, bruised but unbroken. She fell off a stepladder trimming bushes, again just banged up. Solid as a rock under her svelteness. Her younger sister, who had the opposite lifestyle as my wife, would break bones and not even know how she did it. Sadly, we lost her sister this year, her frail body basically just gave out, heart failure was the official diagnosis. What you do every day to be able to withstand whatever, matters. And the big guy should have the leash on the downslopes, not the pretty little woman.
The reservoir water has been circumvented to the ocean since 2021
Hey, Great POST!
Being prepared is management 101. Empty tanks not being ready. Nobody held to account in our current society. Where are our minders checks exams?
Fire. Santa Anna wind. Seems routine. Aided perhaps by arson craziness. But preparing ought to be routine.
Ignorance has always been a voluntary misfortune. The ways of a demoCRAP I never cease to wonder.
Apparently, it wasn't just the empty reservoir - some of the fire trucks were not ready to go because they had not done proper maintenance (despite a very generous budget). The thinking probably goes like "hey when we want to virtue signal we can donate our surplus equipment to Ukraine, but if you cut our budget we'll make sure you feel the pain by not doing maintenance for the fire trucks".
Victor Davis Hanson is spot on as always, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNU3v-yRTOo
Yep, right in front of everyone’s faces! Siloed city employees did not see extent of sabotage: hydrants were not being tested, drained reservoir water was solely for fire suppression, electricity was not turned off during high winds. Similar set up as Lahaina and Paradise. Except LA was worse! The city was fining residents who cleared brush from properties, no one entity was clearing brush overgrowth around and under power lines. There are videos of arsonists and looters ( dressed as firefighters) who came out after fires started. Biden flew in, planes were grounded for the day, holding up firefighting for a day. How much more insults? The mayor is all smiles, telling residents they will get through this. Sure! land acquisition to rebuild for hosting the 2028 Olympics. Never keep eyes off overarching intention.
Burn back better!
Because Californians haven’t seen “ Chinatown” , Logan’s Run”, “ Soylent Green”, “ The Parallax View”, “ The Manchurian Candidate”, “ The Stepford Wives” rot read “ Brave New World”, “1984l, “ Fahrenheit”, “ Catch 2/“, “ Animal Farm” “ The Media Is The Massage” or been properly educated in American and World History.
Why did major insurers pull out 3 months before the attack?
They've been pulling out for years! Had to use CA FAIR plan (that has no liability BTW, when the looters get singed raiding your home during evacuation orders) back in the 1980's. It's ongoing, not at all recent although has accelerated in the past 5 years.
Whatever the ignition reason had they been practicing forestry it could not have happened. I’ve got a friend who lives in Brentwood. Brush hasn’t been cleared in 40 years. A cascade of events much like a plane crash. Elections have consequences. The toxins from what burned is being breathed in and will affect the water and soil forever. Just like 9/11. I sure hope those firefighters have the proper safety equipment.
Thank you! Those d--n kangaroo rats and gnat catchers can move somewhere else, IMO. They're protected, and that's why homes and lives were lost. Laws prevent clearing the brush is environmentalism run amok.
Typical California dem incompetence
While I agree that the reservoirs should have been repaired and filled. it probably would not have made much difference. Unless you have been on a rural fire truck that carries its own water supply you do not realise how quickly the water can be used up. A truck carrying around 2500 gallons of water will use it all in 1/2 hour or so. In bush fire fighting you rely on private or public dams for water. Identification of water sources at a fire scene is one of the necessary jobs and for a large fire a relay from the water source to operating fire trucks may be set up to minimise time away from extinguishing the fire.
For AlmostLastRepublicanSeattle, modern homes have large picture windows and contain large amounts of combustible materials. Radiation from an established fire through the windows can be sufficient to ignite materials such as curtains, soft furniture etc even if the building envelope has not been breached. Intense heat can also crack windows and allow entry of flame. Thus a house fire may appear to have been deliberately started inside. This might suggest that a DEW has been used to start the fire but the natural radiant energy from a particularly intense fire being driven by strong dry winds such as has occurred in LA is more than enough for this type of ignition to occur.
The 3 water tanks held 1 M gallons each. The reservoir's capacity was 117 M gal. Or 39 times the amount of water that was actually available. That might not have been enough to fully extinguish the blaze but I suspect it would have made a significant difference to how many buildings survived
They could refill a tanker truck carrying 2,500 gal 48,000 times
from a reservoir holding 117 million gallons of water. That would
have given fire fighters a sufficient amount of water.
My point was that the amount of water needed to extinguish a fire is very large. For example I attended a small fire which had started at a rural property and had been blown along to edge of a road Aomori the boundary of the property. Altogether it had burnt about 1 acre of grass. 5 fire trucks from local brigades had arrived and it took all of us about 1 hour to put out e fire and we all refilled at least once. In addition to that it was necessary for a truck from the closest fire station to monitor the fire for about 24-48 hours to make sure that it was fully extinguished. Water usage in fire fighting is huge and although 117 million gallons seems a lot of water ,it is small in relation to the magnitude of the LA fires. I do know that there are other reservoirs., but these proved insufficient for the job at hand.
So your argument is that 117 million available gallons of water would not have made a big difference.
The sooner you put a fire out, the less the fire spreads, and the less water you need. The CA/LA authorities let it spread for days, then claim it was so big no amount of water could have extinguished it.
Sorry, but no they didn't let it spread. You have to experience the intensity of the winds and fires to completely understand the ferocity. Zero rain for 9 months, zero brush mitigation (kangaroo rats and gnat catchers, ya know), and 80+ MPH winds and the end result is absolutely predictable.
I'm not saying the firefighters intentionally let it spread. I'm saying that having an empty 117 million gallon reservoir above Pacific Palisades (which even Newsome now admits) and no pressure in the hydrants allowed it to spread. Surely getting plenty of water on it early would have done some good--as it did at Caruso's shopping center and at least one private home? Certainly agree about the lack of brush control--I understand a fire official said deadwood had piled up for 65 years since the last fire.
There is a large ocean with unlimited water readily at hand.
Oh, but doncha know that the salt water might damage the future brush habitat for the kangaroo rats and gnat catchers? /s Wonder if any survived? /s Trust me, they'll let it grow back again and continue to ban you from clearing it.
The reservoir water has been circumvented to the ocean since 2021
Truth. Several photos of homes appearing completely unscathed, but burning down from the inside in San Diego 2003 and 2007 first. Drapes were often the culprit; that, and roof vents.
Intense fires are being fueled by nano aluminum that has accumulated in the soil and vegetation over the last decade. Rain water testing has shown over 2000 times the maximum contaminant level for nano aluminum, as well as strontium and barium. These metals are coincidentally listed in several patents on methods of weather modification.
Arson nothing natural about them
Love these analogies. Yes, we are the punch line in a campy movie. And people will learn absolutely nothing. And vote blue no matter who. What is this compared to the Scamdemic? What about the Senator whose 17 year old daughter died in her sleep and he remains a fervent jab supporter? How was the Scamdemic not even mentioned during the successive elections? If aliens exist, they must be unable to comprehend our stupidity. There is a large segment of the population, especially those lovely blue folks, who will NEVER admit to a single thing being wrong or corrupt. To do so would shatter their world view and decimate their smugnorance. The pain would be unbearable.
I was thinking about that Senator;( like hotez and his autistic daughter- could never admit they as parents harmed or screwed up their children. It’s a tough pill to swallow- and I have been saying same thing- if these people who took the jab were told by govt that govt was wrong- what would they do? They would live in fear, lose mind, and maybe do something rash like protest or worse!
It's all about Trump ruining democracy and controlling women's bodies.
Thanks for writing this. The parallels with the CDC telling everyone, including pregnant women, that the experimental gene jabs are "safe and effective" comes rather blazingly to mind.
Yes, a lot of tax-paying citizens had to find out the hard way (--how 'bout that myocarditis, aFib, stroke, clots, kidney failure, neuropathy, brain fog, tinnitus, etc & etc & etc--) that some of their government officials will scoop up their yummy salary and benefits while not actually giving a possum's poop for their actual responsibilities, not even for the lives of said citizens.
It cannot possibly in any way shape or form have helped the fire departments there in So Ca to have lost so many experienced firefighters over those idiotic mandates.
And many of those people in Southern California who lost their houses were vaxxed to the max, and even if physically well themselves, they had to have been coping with a large number of deaths and debilities in their families-- even f they didn't "connect the dots" to the vaxxes-- they would have been having a very hard time. Anyone who is ill, or caring for someone who is ill-- especially someone with dementia or problems with the GI tract or problems walking-- will be able to imagine the horror of, on top of all that nightmare, then losing one's home in a fire.
A lot of pictures taken of these “wild fires”, they show cars incinerated, melted aluminum, twisted steel, melted glass. Interesting, some of these cars are sitting in the driveway or on the street or an empty lot, all by themselves, away from the inferno, yet they burnt to a crisp. If you believe these fires are normal most likely you also believe the twin towers were brought down by jet airplanes.
Just FYI, we saw the same thing in the San Diego 2003 and 2007 fires of known source. Questioning many things lately, but this is not that unusual. Nor are green trees amongst the charred landscape. Happened then too.