Lithium ion battery fires are a chemical reaction. The reaction generates its own oxygen which fuels the combustion. It cannot be smothered and it cannot be extinguished with water. It will burn until all (chemically) combustible materials in the battery are consumed, spreading highly toxic heavy metals in its smoke.
If you can put enough water on the fire you dilute the electrolytes to the point of making them non combustible. The trick is getting enough volume on them fast enough.
Water makes them spontaneously combust and actually feeds the reaction. Only sand can put it out by melting it into a molten glass enclosure cutting all oxygen that feeds it.
How much energy would be needed to do that? Sand is heavy. And it'd need to be cleaned out again in due course and disposed of, presumably as contaminated poisonous waste. Do you think Al Gore would be able to do some calculations & come up with a helpful plan for them?
Cali is vast. I don’t pay attention to the vocal minority. The people are mostly red. The leaders all dem., chosen in advance and placed in power without one citizen vote.
In 2020 most if not all the states voted red then were switched using the evoting machines to the dems. I know this because I saw a map from Germany of the U.S. most if not all were won by red and then switched. Germany is where the vote switching took place. U.S. soldiers went there to take over and stop the switching, several were killed.
Just go a few hrs away from San Fran and LA you will see.
It looks like it’s going to be both: the Communists in California have pushed for electric cars which use a highly flammable batteries. Those batteries went up in a fire. People may not want that in their garage. And now, there are fewer batteries availabe to be put in electric cars.
It’s like the Communists and the economy are working together on that one.
As someone that lives in Southern California, (not the LA area), thank you for this article. I recall just the last month, our county board of supervisors had an item on their agenda regarding a lithium battery storage facility in our back country. I believe they decided to delay the vote. I'm not sure if the facility already exists or if it was to approve a new facility. I guess I better look into this. 😳
Green scam enviro whack jobs in CA that can’t grasp how to manage forests, contain homeless populations, or be straight with the people about where their recycling is actually going (hint: landfills) now also have the dubious distinction of being the most polluted state because of all their many misplaced priorities. Well done 👍 winning 🙌
Have you spent time in CA or are you a CA hater because that is a political talking point? You have some valid points re mismanagement or recycling nonsense (yes, EVERYwhere massive amounts of rubbish go to landfills whether you separate your plastics or not). But what seems to be missing in your comments is a lack of compassion for what is happening to the CA people, the animals, the environment.
Zara I don’t know how you gleaned lack of compassion for the people, animals and environment from my comments which were rather clearly critical of environmental nut jobs and officials in charge like corrupt gov Newsom, lying LA Mayor Karen Bass, and their DEI hire Fire Chief Kristin Crowley. I shouldn’t have to spell it out for you.
We don’t know enough about this battery factory fire yet but all the others were largely preventable. And yes i have family in CA, and think it’s a beautiful but terribly managed state, but that shouldn’t matter. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see behind the continual excuses CA officials continue to make for their own shortcomings.
How long before there is an event that causes many injuries and deaths? Lithium batteries are going into thermal runaway all over the world. What makes it worse is that BEVs are a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. The demonisation of CO2, for driving climate change is wrong and the elites know this. Carbon Dioxide has, for a long time, been known as the gas of life. The level of CO2 is recovering from a near extinction level. Below a certain number of parts per million of CO2 (less than half of todays' level), plants are unable to survive. If plants die, the whole food chain dies. At today's level, plants are thriving and their yield is increasing. From space, it has been observed that the planet is greening. It is a common for food growers to pump CO2 into greenhouses in order to increase the yield of fruit and vegetables. All the rubbish about nett zero is not going to stop the natural climate change. All it is doing is stopping the supply of cheap energy, making us have to struggle to try to meet energy demand with unreliable, so called green energy. All of the green energy is far from green. All the mining for the minerals needed and the wind turbines as well as the solar panels are ruining the planet's natural beauty. However, the suppliers of the turbines and solar panels are raking in billions upon billions and laughing all the way to the bank. As are Blackrock and all their other big finance conglomerates.
Sadly, few people are aware of how our financial world has been manipulated by Laurence Douglas Fink & Barbra Goldman Novick of BlackRock. Folks who spend even a few minutes searching will discover voluminous material to study.
I began to sit up and take notice of smart meters when I read comments from victims of the Paradise fire of 2017 who said that after the power line went down, the smart meters started exploding, after which time the houses burned down very quickly.
The jury is still out on which interventions are “more green” and less toxic for the environment. Solar panels and wind turbine blades cannot be recycled. Precious metal mining must be considered in the equation. And BTW, human activity and cows have minimal to no effect on the climate. The computer models have been proven wrong time and time again.
Fire control is possible in these battery plants. If the buildings were built on a design like a swimming pool you could construct a large seawater holding tank adjacent to them. In the event of a fire dumps could be opened which would immediately flood the entire building. This would have the effect of immediately cooling the combustibles and diluting the electrolytes to the point of being non combustible. Cleanup would be a lot less impactful than the chemicals going up into atmosphere that a fire would cause.
Which is exactly what they are dealing with now. Deterrents must be looked in to. In all honesty they should have been looked into before any of these plants were constructed.
Lithium ion battery fires are a chemical reaction. The reaction generates its own oxygen which fuels the combustion. It cannot be smothered and it cannot be extinguished with water. It will burn until all (chemically) combustible materials in the battery are consumed, spreading highly toxic heavy metals in its smoke.
If you can put enough water on the fire you dilute the electrolytes to the point of making them non combustible. The trick is getting enough volume on them fast enough.
Water makes them spontaneously combust and actually feeds the reaction. Only sand can put it out by melting it into a molten glass enclosure cutting all oxygen that feeds it.
I actually looked it up and the dilution method is viable.
Maybe for one battery, but for thousands?
Good point. That's what engineers and chemists are for.
I used to think they weren't poisoning our food to make us sick..."𝐛𝐮𝐭" this changed everything.... https://t.co/bF8qbEu9UB
So humans weren’t involved?
Lol, humans built them and burnt them.
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Yes, all these batteries should have had 4" of sand on them.
I'm inclined to agree.
How much energy would be needed to do that? Sand is heavy. And it'd need to be cleaned out again in due course and disposed of, presumably as contaminated poisonous waste. Do you think Al Gore would be able to do some calculations & come up with a helpful plan for them?
Praying all are ok. Tell me this is not planned. With all that has gone on in California I trust nothing.
It’s possible that 2025 will be the year of the death of the electric vehicle and California turning red.
California has always been red except for the liberal pocket of LA and its suburbs.
Don’t believe the hype. The votes have been switched over there since Reagan.
California is huge. Go one hour north south east of LA everyone is red.
It may be the case that Hollywerid may swing Red again.
Their brains are too far gone.
Again? you mean like about 1919?
something like that.
Not true, the whole coast is mostly blue, The Bay Area birthed Pelois, Feinstein and Newsome all from a tiny little village called San Francisco LOL
Cali is vast. It’s not all ab
You must not have heard of the Bay Area then or is that another "suburb?"
The vote switching machines are “Dominion”
https://rumble.com/vb6fmv-oan-reports-scytl-server-in-germany-shows-trump-landslide-410-128.html?ysclid=m617me25e354106731
Cali is vast. I don’t pay attention to the vocal minority. The people are mostly red. The leaders all dem., chosen in advance and placed in power without one citizen vote.
In 2020 most if not all the states voted red then were switched using the evoting machines to the dems. I know this because I saw a map from Germany of the U.S. most if not all were won by red and then switched. Germany is where the vote switching took place. U.S. soldiers went there to take over and stop the switching, several were killed.
Just go a few hrs away from San Fran and LA you will see.
You are right. I never heard of it. I’m on the east coast. Now I know.
If this doesn’t do it… NOTHING will… republicans need to start to mobilize a great candidate for CA -starting right now!
This is a good start: https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/trump-taps-jon-voight-mel-gibson-sylvester-stallone-as-special-envoys-to-restore-hollywoods-golden-age-5793493
Jon Voight??? He will want to nuke all the Palestinians for Israel.
Probably Sylvester dumb as mud Stallone too.
One thing about the Republicans they love to kiss Israel’s ass.
Eliminating “Palestinians” wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
Ahh..you just revealed yourself.
Rudy’s to reveal?
Electric car death should be based on market demand not communist enforcement.
It looks like it’s going to be both: the Communists in California have pushed for electric cars which use a highly flammable batteries. Those batteries went up in a fire. People may not want that in their garage. And now, there are fewer batteries availabe to be put in electric cars.
It’s like the Communists and the economy are working together on that one.
Who knew that California was going to be destroyed not by breaking off and falling into the ocean but by wild and arsonist fires?
Or, DEW!
Dew or DEI?
Or by globalist controlled WEF puppets for their 2030/2050 enslavement agenda utilizing smart cities.
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“….California’s priority should be FIRE PREVENTION, and not mind-bogglingly stupid measures such as banning gas stoves. “ I totally agree.
As someone that lives in Southern California, (not the LA area), thank you for this article. I recall just the last month, our county board of supervisors had an item on their agenda regarding a lithium battery storage facility in our back country. I believe they decided to delay the vote. I'm not sure if the facility already exists or if it was to approve a new facility. I guess I better look into this. 😳
Pushing on a string.
Square peg, round hole.
Incandescent illegal, LED mandated.
Female:female electrical interconnect.
Petrol vs battery motive power for overland transport.
At some point, nature just has to be declared the winner, and the anti-constructivists have to be sent packing.
The dollar tells where the efficient path lies. The dollar runs away from electric autos, solar metro grids, and windmills.
Subsidies be damned, and many (most?) of the world's problems go away.
Displacement replacements! Hahaha
Of the solid and the living.
Green scam enviro whack jobs in CA that can’t grasp how to manage forests, contain homeless populations, or be straight with the people about where their recycling is actually going (hint: landfills) now also have the dubious distinction of being the most polluted state because of all their many misplaced priorities. Well done 👍 winning 🙌
What island are you on?
Have you spent time in CA or are you a CA hater because that is a political talking point? You have some valid points re mismanagement or recycling nonsense (yes, EVERYwhere massive amounts of rubbish go to landfills whether you separate your plastics or not). But what seems to be missing in your comments is a lack of compassion for what is happening to the CA people, the animals, the environment.
Zara I don’t know how you gleaned lack of compassion for the people, animals and environment from my comments which were rather clearly critical of environmental nut jobs and officials in charge like corrupt gov Newsom, lying LA Mayor Karen Bass, and their DEI hire Fire Chief Kristin Crowley. I shouldn’t have to spell it out for you.
We don’t know enough about this battery factory fire yet but all the others were largely preventable. And yes i have family in CA, and think it’s a beautiful but terribly managed state, but that shouldn’t matter. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see behind the continual excuses CA officials continue to make for their own shortcomings.
I’m sorry if I misunderstood.
The same people who voted for the incompetent politicians?
How long before there is an event that causes many injuries and deaths? Lithium batteries are going into thermal runaway all over the world. What makes it worse is that BEVs are a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. The demonisation of CO2, for driving climate change is wrong and the elites know this. Carbon Dioxide has, for a long time, been known as the gas of life. The level of CO2 is recovering from a near extinction level. Below a certain number of parts per million of CO2 (less than half of todays' level), plants are unable to survive. If plants die, the whole food chain dies. At today's level, plants are thriving and their yield is increasing. From space, it has been observed that the planet is greening. It is a common for food growers to pump CO2 into greenhouses in order to increase the yield of fruit and vegetables. All the rubbish about nett zero is not going to stop the natural climate change. All it is doing is stopping the supply of cheap energy, making us have to struggle to try to meet energy demand with unreliable, so called green energy. All of the green energy is far from green. All the mining for the minerals needed and the wind turbines as well as the solar panels are ruining the planet's natural beauty. However, the suppliers of the turbines and solar panels are raking in billions upon billions and laughing all the way to the bank. As are Blackrock and all their other big finance conglomerates.
Individuals interested in the science underlying the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) should read Richard S. Lindzen:
Lindzen, R.S. and Choi, Y. (2011) On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity
and Its Implications. Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences, 47, 377-390.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s13143-011-0023-x
Lindzen interview link:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/epochtv/richard-lindzen-key-points-climate-alarmists-get-wrong-5533100
Sadly, few people are aware of how our financial world has been manipulated by Laurence Douglas Fink & Barbra Goldman Novick of BlackRock. Folks who spend even a few minutes searching will discover voluminous material to study.
Smart meters have lithium ion batteries.
Here's a quote from a company offering solutions to the many problems these smart meter batteries pose. One of the problems is heat.
As in, say, fire. That would be extreme heat. Oh oh.
"Extreme temperatures pose a challenge for lithium batteries, affecting their performance and overall lifespan."
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/super-capacitors-alternative-lithium-batteries-smart-carey
I began to sit up and take notice of smart meters when I read comments from victims of the Paradise fire of 2017 who said that after the power line went down, the smart meters started exploding, after which time the houses burned down very quickly.
Definitely planned. Once you know them you will understand everything is planned for the destruction of the U.S. from within
Thank you for this reporting. It is heart breaking. Monterey with its marine & other—beyond sad.
SABOTAGE!
The jury is still out on which interventions are “more green” and less toxic for the environment. Solar panels and wind turbine blades cannot be recycled. Precious metal mining must be considered in the equation. And BTW, human activity and cows have minimal to no effect on the climate. The computer models have been proven wrong time and time again.
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Fire control is possible in these battery plants. If the buildings were built on a design like a swimming pool you could construct a large seawater holding tank adjacent to them. In the event of a fire dumps could be opened which would immediately flood the entire building. This would have the effect of immediately cooling the combustibles and diluting the electrolytes to the point of being non combustible. Cleanup would be a lot less impactful than the chemicals going up into atmosphere that a fire would cause.
That sounds like a nightmare
Which is exactly what they are dealing with now. Deterrents must be looked in to. In all honesty they should have been looked into before any of these plants were constructed.
Common sense…
That sounds like a nightmare
California’s self immolation is working spectacularly. “Give ‘em enough rope…” 🔥
AND orders from way up!!