In the debate about free speech, nearly all the attention is focussed on WHAT is said, when in fact HOW it is said is far more important. Civil discourse appears to be a disappearing art. Can we agree to disagree in a respectful way, or perhaps to pick up the discussion after giving the matter some further thought or deeper research? NO!!! I am RIGHT and you are WRONG!!! Such is the disrespect for each other that is all too prevalent, and the disrespect for the truth that occurs all too often.
Agree. To your point, in Boston, December 1860, Frederick Douglass spoke to fellow abolitionists and advocated the importance of free speech. He stated: "To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker." I have this quote saved for posterity on my laptop. Seems fitting to describe the deadly ramifications of these past four years, and the toxicity of our public discourse since at least the mid 2000's.
Some speech is about good vs evil that can be black or white, right or wrong, life or death, not mere personal preference. You can have a respectful debate about flat tax versus national sales tax, but expect emotions to rise when it comes to killing babies who survive botched abortions calling that “healthcare” vs doing what’s medically necessary to support the life of that baby, for example.
I take the view that us, the 'more or less awake', the 'redpilled', the 'resistance', only need agree on a few simple things:
There is a plan afoot to destroy our societies and their structures, family, agriculture, energy, politics, law, to hurt us and kill us, slowly or quickly, and to usher in a new era of digital hell for the survivors.
On these fora, and within this echo chamber, we ONLY need agree on these things. The rest can be set aside until or if we win.
When I argue on these forums, I am arguing things of little importance, details, with people who largely agree, who are my allies. It sometimes doesn't seem that way, here within the resistance movement we have created, as humans do, a hundred separate cells of mildly variant resistance. And then we make mountains out of molehills.
We need to wake up normies, or lose. Wasting energy and worse squabbling internally, ESPECIALLY our leaders, ie Gert vs Yeadon, Gert vs everyone, Malone vs Breggins, etc etc is all just so much wasted energy.
Sure we argue here on the forums. Personally, I argue points when I feel my fellow redpilled have bad strategies to wake normies, when they slam obvious resistance folk eg Kirsch, or Malone, who is alternately hated and loved, hey! Wake up, be sensible! How could Malone be helping the inner circle vampire squid cabal members bent on genocide? I dont feel I would enjoy Malone's company around a campfire and whiskey, but really? People actually think he is controlled opo? Your typical normie on the outside looking in probably couldn't distinguish the Breggins from Malone, thats ironic. And so on. We think there are 'critical' differences within the resistance, hah! From the outside, to a normie, we all look the same. We are making up differences.
And the vampire squid inner cabal members squirm with delight and rub their hands together "look they are eating their own, JUST LIKE THE SIMULATION SAID THEY WOULD".
This entire topic reminds me how the Demonrats stick together in lockstep while the Republicans can’t get their act together and act like they are the minority in the House even when in the majority.
Timely and interesting. Thanks. Did not know this story but now - thanks to you - I do... I am not one bit surprised. Dr McCullough's policy of sticking to his areas of expertise; keeping his messaging simple; avoiding personal attacks; and ignoring those made against him is, I think, the best way to do the most good.
The difficulty n frustration at not undoing the pharmaceutical influence upon governments n society at large can turn into attacking the closest targets n eventually, unfortunately self defeat. A few deep breathes n a recognition of one’s human fallibility never goes amiss
There is merit in what you say. We should be civil in discourse. And we have all gone through much change in the past 4 years. We should accept that others may have changed as well.
At the same time, we know full well that the enemies of our freedoms will seek to co-opt our movement by appearing as friends at first and then moving to betray our trust. We must be especially wary of those who continue to spread the fear, for that is the emotion we must avoid and which is the mechanism that can suspend our rational thought.
How often do we need to hear the brilliant thinkers of the past remind us that what we believe we are thinking and speaking for the very first time has been said and thought, and usually better, by our wise ancestors!
And yet another interpretation is that external people or powers should not interfere in another country’s affairs or wars. The best action is to pray.
Then again, the Spartans declined the field, while the Athenian military leaders squabbled about tactics before going on to meet the Persians at Marathon.
Way too much infighting in the medical freedom movement! This first came to my attention back when Alex Berenson launched his bizarre jihad against Dr. Robert Malone. Wish we could just focus our efforts on resisting the Covidian fascists.
I agree. Some subjects are intrinsically inflammatory, and it is challenging to not get carried away by our emotions. Nevertheless, I believe that even with inflammatory subjects such as abortion, it is our duty to do our best to maintain respect for those whose opinions differ from ours, try to understand their opinions better, and refrain from harmful invective, ad hominem attacks, sarcasm, or other emotionally laden communications that destroy our ability to understand and get along with our fellow humans. I'm not saying it is, or even that I'm very good at it. Only that we should try.
It seems to me that RFK Jr. has been nothing but mature and civil in his remarks to and about Trump. On the other hand, Trump attacked a good, conservative, effective Republican in the most vicious and personal ways because he had the audacity to run against him in a primary election (as our system provides for). I'm seriously weighing whether to vote for him a third time...
Don’t be swayed by “mean tweets.” Were you and the world better off 4 years ago than you are now? How were things for you under the Obama regime? World leaders feared Trump and that kept us safe. Now our open borders have allowed terror cells to become established in our country, our Injustice Dept has been weaponized against political opponents and we are losing more and more of our freedoms every day.
True, re: DOJ lawfare. But I am not one who thinks that Trump is the ONLY one who can restore order and prosperity. He also added $8 trillion to the natl debt, and gave Fauci, Birx etc free reign to shut down parts of the economy, ruin small businesses, and still praises his “Warp Speed” jabs that have killed and injured untold numbers.
Trump never mandated the jabs and never will. He wanted the lockdowns to end but governors maintained them. I can’t argue with you about the national debt, part of which was contributed by the CARES Act to help businesses that were harmed by the lockdowns, but we had prosperity under Trump. Minorities were better off under Trump. I have to look at the whole picture. The Deep State hates Trump so much because he is a threat to them. Why do you think the rogue CIA is a danger to him. We are living in a very unstable world and I prefer to take my chances with Trump at the helm, again.
Go for it, it's still a free country...He criticized DeSantis and Kemp for reopening GA and FL. It doesn't matter whether he mandated them or not; he did not prohibit or even criticize the mandates for federal contractors, military, pilots, students and others. He did some very good things, but he is not the only person in the country who could do the same. I believe we truly missed the boat choosing him over DeSantis, who has DONE what Trump talks about doing, and doesn't have the baggage he has. Some of us had prosperity under Trump; others lost their businesses, livelihoods and health. That's just a fact. And the CARES act paid people to stay home and do nothing and get paid for it. That's not a conservative principle, in my book.
Trump never should have signed the CARES Act that Congress passes and you are right about that. DeSantis has been a good governor but he was extremely weak on the campaign trail and the Dems would have made mince meat out of him. You are correct that Kemp was wise to open up GA early and Trump, on the advice of so-called “experts” criticized him for it. So much about COVID Trump was wrong on and people have a good reason to be angry about that. COVID is Trump’s Achilles heel. But the Demonrats are far worse on COVID and their party has been taken over by Marxists and socialists. If you think RFK or anyone else can beat the Dems, you are ensuring that the Dems will get elected.
In the debate about free speech, nearly all the attention is focussed on WHAT is said, when in fact HOW it is said is far more important. Civil discourse appears to be a disappearing art. Can we agree to disagree in a respectful way, or perhaps to pick up the discussion after giving the matter some further thought or deeper research? NO!!! I am RIGHT and you are WRONG!!! Such is the disrespect for each other that is all too prevalent, and the disrespect for the truth that occurs all too often.
Agree. To your point, in Boston, December 1860, Frederick Douglass spoke to fellow abolitionists and advocated the importance of free speech. He stated: "To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker." I have this quote saved for posterity on my laptop. Seems fitting to describe the deadly ramifications of these past four years, and the toxicity of our public discourse since at least the mid 2000's.
Some speech is about good vs evil that can be black or white, right or wrong, life or death, not mere personal preference. You can have a respectful debate about flat tax versus national sales tax, but expect emotions to rise when it comes to killing babies who survive botched abortions calling that “healthcare” vs doing what’s medically necessary to support the life of that baby, for example.
I take the view that us, the 'more or less awake', the 'redpilled', the 'resistance', only need agree on a few simple things:
There is a plan afoot to destroy our societies and their structures, family, agriculture, energy, politics, law, to hurt us and kill us, slowly or quickly, and to usher in a new era of digital hell for the survivors.
On these fora, and within this echo chamber, we ONLY need agree on these things. The rest can be set aside until or if we win.
When I argue on these forums, I am arguing things of little importance, details, with people who largely agree, who are my allies. It sometimes doesn't seem that way, here within the resistance movement we have created, as humans do, a hundred separate cells of mildly variant resistance. And then we make mountains out of molehills.
We need to wake up normies, or lose. Wasting energy and worse squabbling internally, ESPECIALLY our leaders, ie Gert vs Yeadon, Gert vs everyone, Malone vs Breggins, etc etc is all just so much wasted energy.
Sure we argue here on the forums. Personally, I argue points when I feel my fellow redpilled have bad strategies to wake normies, when they slam obvious resistance folk eg Kirsch, or Malone, who is alternately hated and loved, hey! Wake up, be sensible! How could Malone be helping the inner circle vampire squid cabal members bent on genocide? I dont feel I would enjoy Malone's company around a campfire and whiskey, but really? People actually think he is controlled opo? Your typical normie on the outside looking in probably couldn't distinguish the Breggins from Malone, thats ironic. And so on. We think there are 'critical' differences within the resistance, hah! From the outside, to a normie, we all look the same. We are making up differences.
And the vampire squid inner cabal members squirm with delight and rub their hands together "look they are eating their own, JUST LIKE THE SIMULATION SAID THEY WOULD".
This entire topic reminds me how the Demonrats stick together in lockstep while the Republicans can’t get their act together and act like they are the minority in the House even when in the majority.
The attacks make me cringe and I have stopped following a few substacks because of it.
Timely and interesting. Thanks. Did not know this story but now - thanks to you - I do... I am not one bit surprised. Dr McCullough's policy of sticking to his areas of expertise; keeping his messaging simple; avoiding personal attacks; and ignoring those made against him is, I think, the best way to do the most good.
John Leake -- well done!
The difficulty n frustration at not undoing the pharmaceutical influence upon governments n society at large can turn into attacking the closest targets n eventually, unfortunately self defeat. A few deep breathes n a recognition of one’s human fallibility never goes amiss
There is merit in what you say. We should be civil in discourse. And we have all gone through much change in the past 4 years. We should accept that others may have changed as well.
At the same time, we know full well that the enemies of our freedoms will seek to co-opt our movement by appearing as friends at first and then moving to betray our trust. We must be especially wary of those who continue to spread the fear, for that is the emotion we must avoid and which is the mechanism that can suspend our rational thought.
How often do we need to hear the brilliant thinkers of the past remind us that what we believe we are thinking and speaking for the very first time has been said and thought, and usually better, by our wise ancestors!
And yet another interpretation is that external people or powers should not interfere in another country’s affairs or wars. The best action is to pray.
My favorite part was “mad,bad,and dangerous to know”
Then again, the Spartans declined the field, while the Athenian military leaders squabbled about tactics before going on to meet the Persians at Marathon.
Way too much infighting in the medical freedom movement! This first came to my attention back when Alex Berenson launched his bizarre jihad against Dr. Robert Malone. Wish we could just focus our efforts on resisting the Covidian fascists.
This does NOT WORK WITH THE PREDATOR/PARASITE/PSYCHOPATHS!
I agree. Some subjects are intrinsically inflammatory, and it is challenging to not get carried away by our emotions. Nevertheless, I believe that even with inflammatory subjects such as abortion, it is our duty to do our best to maintain respect for those whose opinions differ from ours, try to understand their opinions better, and refrain from harmful invective, ad hominem attacks, sarcasm, or other emotionally laden communications that destroy our ability to understand and get along with our fellow humans. I'm not saying it is, or even that I'm very good at it. Only that we should try.
Words for Trump and RFK Jr, too.
It seems to me that RFK Jr. has been nothing but mature and civil in his remarks to and about Trump. On the other hand, Trump attacked a good, conservative, effective Republican in the most vicious and personal ways because he had the audacity to run against him in a primary election (as our system provides for). I'm seriously weighing whether to vote for him a third time...
Don’t be swayed by “mean tweets.” Were you and the world better off 4 years ago than you are now? How were things for you under the Obama regime? World leaders feared Trump and that kept us safe. Now our open borders have allowed terror cells to become established in our country, our Injustice Dept has been weaponized against political opponents and we are losing more and more of our freedoms every day.
True, re: DOJ lawfare. But I am not one who thinks that Trump is the ONLY one who can restore order and prosperity. He also added $8 trillion to the natl debt, and gave Fauci, Birx etc free reign to shut down parts of the economy, ruin small businesses, and still praises his “Warp Speed” jabs that have killed and injured untold numbers.
Trump never mandated the jabs and never will. He wanted the lockdowns to end but governors maintained them. I can’t argue with you about the national debt, part of which was contributed by the CARES Act to help businesses that were harmed by the lockdowns, but we had prosperity under Trump. Minorities were better off under Trump. I have to look at the whole picture. The Deep State hates Trump so much because he is a threat to them. Why do you think the rogue CIA is a danger to him. We are living in a very unstable world and I prefer to take my chances with Trump at the helm, again.
Go for it, it's still a free country...He criticized DeSantis and Kemp for reopening GA and FL. It doesn't matter whether he mandated them or not; he did not prohibit or even criticize the mandates for federal contractors, military, pilots, students and others. He did some very good things, but he is not the only person in the country who could do the same. I believe we truly missed the boat choosing him over DeSantis, who has DONE what Trump talks about doing, and doesn't have the baggage he has. Some of us had prosperity under Trump; others lost their businesses, livelihoods and health. That's just a fact. And the CARES act paid people to stay home and do nothing and get paid for it. That's not a conservative principle, in my book.
Trump never should have signed the CARES Act that Congress passes and you are right about that. DeSantis has been a good governor but he was extremely weak on the campaign trail and the Dems would have made mince meat out of him. You are correct that Kemp was wise to open up GA early and Trump, on the advice of so-called “experts” criticized him for it. So much about COVID Trump was wrong on and people have a good reason to be angry about that. COVID is Trump’s Achilles heel. But the Demonrats are far worse on COVID and their party has been taken over by Marxists and socialists. If you think RFK or anyone else can beat the Dems, you are ensuring that the Dems will get elected.
They have sold their souls to AIPAC (the zionist Israeli lobby). They are owned by genocidal murders.