It was a hit. The shooter was a pro. The only thing he took down was the intended target. His egress route and method was planned. I heard someone speculate he had a change of clothes in the backpack. From the way it looked I’d say that’s a good guess. What’s sad is his family will never look at the holidays the same way again.
The fact that the action on the pistol wasn't cycling properly (he is doing it by hand after each shot) tells me that he probably never test-fired it with the silencer on.
(He might have calmly killed people before, but this wasn't Jason Bourne.)
Suppressors on a semi-auto pistol firing low velocity cartridges can cause the gun to fail to cycle. For a really silent shooting, use sub-sonic ammunition and a suppressor. If the gun was a .22 it could take more than one shot to kill, but with a suppressor the shooting would be so quiet few people would hear anything.
Jason Bourne has good script writers and stunt directors. In real life, even experienced professionals may encounter unforseen factors, or have to go into action with less than ideal equipment or circumstances. I think this is a pro assassin, and the main tip-off is that he knew when and where his victim would be in a situation suitable for the job. This required inside information, which means someone helping him. He also had a well planned escape route, which again implies experience in this sort of thing.
There is video of the guy in the area, talking on a cell phone shortly before the incident. And he was waiting in position only about 10 minutes before his target showed up. Therefore, he may have received a call saying, "he's [your target] leaving in a few minutes", so he knew to get in position at that time. This implies an accomplice doing surveillance.
I'm also curious about his e-bike get away. It is said that he hopped on a Citibike and took off into Central Park. But I have used Citibikes--and it can take a few minutes, using a credit card or smart phone to unlock the bike, and the process leaves a digital trail behind, that could allow tracing back to the user. It makes a Citibike an unlikely get away vehicle in this kind of situation. However, if he had an accomplice standing by with the already unlocked bike, that would work. The police also said they found a cell phone by the bike racks that they thought might be linked to the shooting. This may have been a burner phone that was used just for the purpose of unlocking the bike and then discarded.
I’ve been shooting since I was a teenager and I’ve had guns jam on me no matter how well I took care of them. You’re right he had killed before. No one would be that composed in a high stress situation if they haven’t unless they’re a sociopath.
I too have been shooting since I was a kid & been a cop and DOD security contractor all my professional life. None of my work firearms, those I carry and keep for home defense have ever failed to function as much as this guy's. If they ever did, I'd get rid of them ASAP. Even my recreational fun guns work better than his did. When you're in the life & death business, you NEVER rely on something unreliable. His weapon failed to fully cycle at nearly every round. That means he never tested it or the weapon/ammo combo he used. That's not something a professional would do. That's not a risk a professional would take. This guy was no pro, just a thug.
My shooting hasn’t been in the life or death business. That’s my older brother and friends, retired police officers. I shoot more recreational. I agree if my life and job depended on it, that’d be another story.
He collected his spent shell casings. The weapon didn’t jam, it’s a straight pull. So you don’t eject any evidence into the street. If I was investigating this, I’d be all into what the victim was privy to, what did he know that got him shot, that will lead you to the killer, or their handlers quicker.
I think it’s a pistol (semi auto) with a slide lock. He is re-racking the slide after each shot. Also seems to have a suppressor. Both accessories would help to quiet the report. I don’t see him bending over to pick up the ejected shells. No doubt he loaded the magazine wearing gloves. No prints.
When I watch the video in slow motion I had to wonder if the person holding the cup may be an accomplice, providing assurance of the identity of the intended victim and a vague, undeterminable description of the shooter.
My dad was in the Army Air Corp during WWII and although we never talked about it I wore his wool army shirt everyday as a light jacket when I was in Jr High. The Eagle Squadron were American members of the RAF before the USA joined the war. I also read about the war as much as I could, biographies of Churchill etc.
Of special note was that Pearl Harbor was a Green Flag event, and most people don't know that. The USA set the Japanese military up, let them come in and blow up the place. It was done to make sure FDR could get war authorization... In those days the Congress actually did their job and had to vote on whether to go to war or not.
Interestingly, Japan attacked the Philippines and Guam the same day but FDR never mentioned that because he didn't think anyone would care.
FDR was rehearsing his speech before the first bullet or bomb every hit Pearl Harbor.
Now, we needed to get in that war, don't get me wrong, and I understand why FDR did what he did, but I think there was a better way and 3000 American military personnel didn't really have to loose their lives.
But those were the good old days? When the New Pearl Harbor arrived, it was not a Green Flag event but a False Flag event... 9/11 perpetrated by traitors inside the USA with the help and cooperation of Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Until we confront who did 9/11 we will never be free from the tyranny the Dark Ones want to impose. It didn't start with 9/11, it started with the creation of the CIA and the coup they committed on 11/22/63.
That is a long comment just to say, yes.. it was crazy to use troops as machine gun foder... there had to be another way.
"The gunman who shot United Health CEO Brian Thompson is apparently accustomed to shooting people." <<< BULLSHIT!!
What I saw was someone who is comfortable (ie has practiced) with a firearm.
If one is prolific with firearms, and is ANGRY, this is the result.
Someone 'on a mission'.
It does NOT mean that this individual has killed before. That's quite an ASSumption.
As I'd stated on the other story post.....I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the DEATH JABS?! Everyone REMEMBERS THOSE.....RIGHT??? Where MILLIONS were MURDERED, and MILLIONS MORE Injured, by these Bio-weapon Injections.
After all.....it sure looks like NO ONE is going to be going to PRISON/HELD ACCOUNTABLE for these BIO-WEAPON CRIMES! I'm amazed that 'Street Justice' has not happened, YET.
Maybe this individual IS a firearms owner; having gone hunting and/or to a shooting range, for YEARS......was FORCED (his job) to get the Death Jab, and was now told that he has Turbo Cancer; or, that his loved one has died/is dying.
It’s either he knew something that someone didn’t want him to share or he or his company has an enemy. United health fired any employee if they didn’t take the vax. So could be someone either died from the vax or was terribly injured from it.
Motive? Since BT was promoted to CEO around April 2021, and then United enacted mandatory jabs by Nov. 2021, I'm left wondering if either the shooter lost their job or lost a loved one who had to take the jabs - meaning a revenge killing.
At this point, it is entirely understandable that lots of people would want to shoot everyone who mandated the jabs, because the government is covering up the horrific death toll from the mRNA injections and refuses to even seriously look into them. It was the worst crime against humanity ever.
If they were not mandated to inject the poison, then it's partly their own fault for being that stupid and naive about the extreme criminality of Pfizer.
But still, it is a crime to inject poison while pretending it's not. The ultimate responsibility for the mass murder by mRNA is at the highest levels, especially Fauci, Collins, Walensky, Bourla, Bancel, Lloyd Austin, and Biden.
“But still, it is a crime to inject poison while pretending it’s not” you insist. Are you suggesting that everyone who injected people knew it was poison? They weren’t “following orders”. They were just doing their job giving the people what the people thought they wanted.
No, I never said that everyone who injected people knew that the mRNA is poison.
But everyone who _mandated_ the injection was violating the fundamental human right not to be part of a medical experiment. Everyone knew it had no long-term safety record, and even if it had, it would still be a human rights violation to break into the bloodstreams of most people on earth by threatening them with job loss or expulsion from school or the military.
And again No “everyone” did NOT KNOW it had no long term safety record. The unrelenting pro-injection propaganda insisted the technology had been researched for decades and was “safe and effective”. Or do you not recall those words? We are in agreement that everyone who mandated them is guilty of multiple crimes.
The ceo of that healthcare corporation who was murdered by a stalker so many regard as a revolutionary Christ figure never mandated the shots. And again, I am NOT defending him against the suffering his corporation caused untold numbers of people. All I am saying is his murder accomplished absolutely nothing for the betterment of healthcare for the people. His killer is not a revolutionary savior.
Because blaming the victim is always the best response? All of those mothers who took thalidomide are responsible for what happened to their flipper babies too, aren’t they? And in your opinion rape victims should have known better that to be there wearing what they were wearing right?
Do you think the shooter knew of his victim? I can't see this as some sort of mindless random killing. It appeared premeditated. How did that shooter know who Thompson was?
Interesting! So, Musk is censoring it here in the States, but not in Australia. I don't know enough to understand why. He needs to be on the good side of NYPD for some reason, or what?
More like our eSafety commissioner (ex-CIA in Australia) got burned trying to censor a stabbing here in Australia. The stabbing victim was happy for it to be shown and her censorship efforts were defeated by twitter in court.
There might be some other law relevant to the US/NY to which twitter has to be obedient. ?
It appeared to me that the first few shots were taken from too far away for it to be a trained assassin. A single shot to the upper back point-blank would seem to have been path of least resistance. The weapon would not need to be extended aimed and visible. When the man drops, a couple to the head to finish after checking the escape path. What do I know though?
It was a hit. The shooter was a pro. The only thing he took down was the intended target. His egress route and method was planned. I heard someone speculate he had a change of clothes in the backpack. From the way it looked I’d say that’s a good guess. What’s sad is his family will never look at the holidays the same way again.
But he missed. He had to keep shooting to manage the job. He might've been calm, but that can't have been a professional. ?
The gun jammed. If you ever had this happen when you shoot, it throws off your rhythm. Also, he cleared it without any trouble.
Professionals are human and do make mistakes.
A hit to the leg first would have disabled target from escape
had he survived the 'Kill Shot' since they were on the street walking
with other people in proximity.
The fact that the action on the pistol wasn't cycling properly (he is doing it by hand after each shot) tells me that he probably never test-fired it with the silencer on.
(He might have calmly killed people before, but this wasn't Jason Bourne.)
Suppressors on a semi-auto pistol firing low velocity cartridges can cause the gun to fail to cycle. For a really silent shooting, use sub-sonic ammunition and a suppressor. If the gun was a .22 it could take more than one shot to kill, but with a suppressor the shooting would be so quiet few people would hear anything.
Jason Bourne has good script writers and stunt directors. In real life, even experienced professionals may encounter unforseen factors, or have to go into action with less than ideal equipment or circumstances. I think this is a pro assassin, and the main tip-off is that he knew when and where his victim would be in a situation suitable for the job. This required inside information, which means someone helping him. He also had a well planned escape route, which again implies experience in this sort of thing.
I don't think it's clear he had inside information.
He didn't appear to know what hotel the target was staying in (only the one to which he was headed, where there was a publicized event).
IOW, we know he had public info on the guy; there's no evidence yet that he had details only family and close colleagues had.
There is video of the guy in the area, talking on a cell phone shortly before the incident. And he was waiting in position only about 10 minutes before his target showed up. Therefore, he may have received a call saying, "he's [your target] leaving in a few minutes", so he knew to get in position at that time. This implies an accomplice doing surveillance.
I'm also curious about his e-bike get away. It is said that he hopped on a Citibike and took off into Central Park. But I have used Citibikes--and it can take a few minutes, using a credit card or smart phone to unlock the bike, and the process leaves a digital trail behind, that could allow tracing back to the user. It makes a Citibike an unlikely get away vehicle in this kind of situation. However, if he had an accomplice standing by with the already unlocked bike, that would work. The police also said they found a cell phone by the bike racks that they thought might be linked to the shooting. This may have been a burner phone that was used just for the purpose of unlocking the bike and then discarded.
A Citibike is not the same as an e-bike, which moves substantially faster.
People are saying that since he was catching the casings from the first shot he was aware of his tool/craft.
You've a good point. The shooter could have walked up from behind, and put one in the head. A shot in the ankle signals poor execution.
A sociopathic amateur would be calm and possibly unprofessional enough to hit an ankle. Maybe the shooter was an opportunistic hire.
Update: so a suspect was arrested. Given the trial this guy was leaving, the background of this individual, and how they arrested him:
1. This Luigi character is the biggest screw up around and wanted to get caught
2. He’s taking the fall for someone else
3. He’s got a similar psychological problem like that guy who killed those college students in Idaho
Feel free to critique. Still no matter what you think of this CEO he was a husband, father, and so on.
Not a pro. Just someone who's killed before. The weapon issues were not something a pro would go through.
I’ve been shooting since I was a teenager and I’ve had guns jam on me no matter how well I took care of them. You’re right he had killed before. No one would be that composed in a high stress situation if they haven’t unless they’re a sociopath.
I too have been shooting since I was a kid & been a cop and DOD security contractor all my professional life. None of my work firearms, those I carry and keep for home defense have ever failed to function as much as this guy's. If they ever did, I'd get rid of them ASAP. Even my recreational fun guns work better than his did. When you're in the life & death business, you NEVER rely on something unreliable. His weapon failed to fully cycle at nearly every round. That means he never tested it or the weapon/ammo combo he used. That's not something a professional would do. That's not a risk a professional would take. This guy was no pro, just a thug.
My shooting hasn’t been in the life or death business. That’s my older brother and friends, retired police officers. I shoot more recreational. I agree if my life and job depended on it, that’d be another story.
He collected his spent shell casings. The weapon didn’t jam, it’s a straight pull. So you don’t eject any evidence into the street. If I was investigating this, I’d be all into what the victim was privy to, what did he know that got him shot, that will lead you to the killer, or their handlers quicker.
I think it’s a pistol (semi auto) with a slide lock. He is re-racking the slide after each shot. Also seems to have a suppressor. Both accessories would help to quiet the report. I don’t see him bending over to pick up the ejected shells. No doubt he loaded the magazine wearing gloves. No prints.
He's not bending over to pick up any shell casings, but he might be catching them in his left hand as he pulls the slide back.
That’d be pretty John Wick!
Video does not load; it's already been taken down.
Here's a copy:
https://patrick.net/post/1382786/2024-12-05-assassination-of-united-health-ceo
That was chilling. Shocking to see the shooter simply ignore the guy with the coffee cup who ran away.
I wonder if the witness gave a statement.
When I watch the video in slow motion I had to wonder if the person holding the cup may be an accomplice, providing assurance of the identity of the intended victim and a vague, undeterminable description of the shooter.
Still on X as of 9pm, NYC time.
My dad was in the Army Air Corp during WWII and although we never talked about it I wore his wool army shirt everyday as a light jacket when I was in Jr High. The Eagle Squadron were American members of the RAF before the USA joined the war. I also read about the war as much as I could, biographies of Churchill etc.
Of special note was that Pearl Harbor was a Green Flag event, and most people don't know that. The USA set the Japanese military up, let them come in and blow up the place. It was done to make sure FDR could get war authorization... In those days the Congress actually did their job and had to vote on whether to go to war or not.
Interestingly, Japan attacked the Philippines and Guam the same day but FDR never mentioned that because he didn't think anyone would care.
FDR was rehearsing his speech before the first bullet or bomb every hit Pearl Harbor.
Now, we needed to get in that war, don't get me wrong, and I understand why FDR did what he did, but I think there was a better way and 3000 American military personnel didn't really have to loose their lives.
But those were the good old days? When the New Pearl Harbor arrived, it was not a Green Flag event but a False Flag event... 9/11 perpetrated by traitors inside the USA with the help and cooperation of Israel, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Until we confront who did 9/11 we will never be free from the tyranny the Dark Ones want to impose. It didn't start with 9/11, it started with the creation of the CIA and the coup they committed on 11/22/63.
That is a long comment just to say, yes.. it was crazy to use troops as machine gun foder... there had to be another way.
Your comment made me curious to look online for more information on the Coup in Iran.
One of the books on the topic was:
All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror, (2008)
by Kinzer, Stephen
Then he is professional assassin and its set up by someone in power or agency isnt that a cop car only yards away,,,,, video is taken down
"The gunman who shot United Health CEO Brian Thompson is apparently accustomed to shooting people." <<< BULLSHIT!!
What I saw was someone who is comfortable (ie has practiced) with a firearm.
If one is prolific with firearms, and is ANGRY, this is the result.
Someone 'on a mission'.
It does NOT mean that this individual has killed before. That's quite an ASSumption.
As I'd stated on the other story post.....I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the DEATH JABS?! Everyone REMEMBERS THOSE.....RIGHT??? Where MILLIONS were MURDERED, and MILLIONS MORE Injured, by these Bio-weapon Injections.
After all.....it sure looks like NO ONE is going to be going to PRISON/HELD ACCOUNTABLE for these BIO-WEAPON CRIMES! I'm amazed that 'Street Justice' has not happened, YET.
Maybe this individual IS a firearms owner; having gone hunting and/or to a shooting range, for YEARS......was FORCED (his job) to get the Death Jab, and was now told that he has Turbo Cancer; or, that his loved one has died/is dying.
Video is taken down.
I just saw it at that twitter link.
It would appear, the video has been removed.
It’s either he knew something that someone didn’t want him to share or he or his company has an enemy. United health fired any employee if they didn’t take the vax. So could be someone either died from the vax or was terribly injured from it.
Or maybe just a personal vendetta.
That video has also been scrubbed.
Professional hit. Professional enemies...
Still here for me (in Australia) https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1864376425685438810
not here
"Page doesn't exist" in Texas.
https://lawyerlisa.substack.com/p/united-healthcare-services-sued-by
Unrelated?
Motive? Since BT was promoted to CEO around April 2021, and then United enacted mandatory jabs by Nov. 2021, I'm left wondering if either the shooter lost their job or lost a loved one who had to take the jabs - meaning a revenge killing.
At this point, it is entirely understandable that lots of people would want to shoot everyone who mandated the jabs, because the government is covering up the horrific death toll from the mRNA injections and refuses to even seriously look into them. It was the worst crime against humanity ever.
So should the people who took the shot even if they weren’t mandated to do so start shooting the drug store employees who injected them?
If they were not mandated to inject the poison, then it's partly their own fault for being that stupid and naive about the extreme criminality of Pfizer.
But still, it is a crime to inject poison while pretending it's not. The ultimate responsibility for the mass murder by mRNA is at the highest levels, especially Fauci, Collins, Walensky, Bourla, Bancel, Lloyd Austin, and Biden.
“But still, it is a crime to inject poison while pretending it’s not” you insist. Are you suggesting that everyone who injected people knew it was poison? They weren’t “following orders”. They were just doing their job giving the people what the people thought they wanted.
No, I never said that everyone who injected people knew that the mRNA is poison.
But everyone who _mandated_ the injection was violating the fundamental human right not to be part of a medical experiment. Everyone knew it had no long-term safety record, and even if it had, it would still be a human rights violation to break into the bloodstreams of most people on earth by threatening them with job loss or expulsion from school or the military.
And again No “everyone” did NOT KNOW it had no long term safety record. The unrelenting pro-injection propaganda insisted the technology had been researched for decades and was “safe and effective”. Or do you not recall those words? We are in agreement that everyone who mandated them is guilty of multiple crimes.
The ceo of that healthcare corporation who was murdered by a stalker so many regard as a revolutionary Christ figure never mandated the shots. And again, I am NOT defending him against the suffering his corporation caused untold numbers of people. All I am saying is his murder accomplished absolutely nothing for the betterment of healthcare for the people. His killer is not a revolutionary savior.
Because blaming the victim is always the best response? All of those mothers who took thalidomide are responsible for what happened to their flipper babies too, aren’t they? And in your opinion rape victims should have known better that to be there wearing what they were wearing right?
You should argue against what I'm actually saying instead of against imaginary dragons.
I'm talking about the MANDATES.
“…then it’s their own fault for being that stupid and naive…”. Are those NOT your words I am quoting?
Do you think the shooter knew of his victim? I can't see this as some sort of mindless random killing. It appeared premeditated. How did that shooter know who Thompson was?
You don't suppose BT was Arkancided, do you?
The bystander on the right must have gotten a look at the shooter's face. Yet, the shooter evidently clearly didn't care.
Your take seems sound. It looks like a hit. An object lesson to anyone else who knows what Brian Thompson knew.
In the picture they have of the suspects face, he has a ski mask on. He’s not worried about what people see as there isn’t much to see or describe.
Video removed from X?
I can still see it here (Australia) https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1864376425685438810
Nope
Not any more.
I can still see it.
Interesting! So, Musk is censoring it here in the States, but not in Australia. I don't know enough to understand why. He needs to be on the good side of NYPD for some reason, or what?
More like our eSafety commissioner (ex-CIA in Australia) got burned trying to censor a stabbing here in Australia. The stabbing victim was happy for it to be shown and her censorship efforts were defeated by twitter in court.
There might be some other law relevant to the US/NY to which twitter has to be obedient. ?
Interesting-er and interesting-er! Thank you for the background.
re: exactly what is going on here in the States, I wish I knew. (As with *so much* else. :)
Probably another democrat
It appeared to me that the first few shots were taken from too far away for it to be a trained assassin. A single shot to the upper back point-blank would seem to have been path of least resistance. The weapon would not need to be extended aimed and visible. When the man drops, a couple to the head to finish after checking the escape path. What do I know though?