An excellent post but I think you missed the mark. Every reference to Christians and Jews in the Koran is pejorative and several verses say that devout Muslims are to kill Jews where ever they are found. So, I understand your point about tribalism but Muslims have been murdering and subjugating Christians, Jews, and every other religious group, for 1500 years. This is more about religious imperialism, as the great Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis pointed out about Islam, than just tribalism. In 1995 Bethlehem was 95% Christian, now it's less than 5%. This is because of the abuse Muslims have directed at the Christians. They aim to do the same to the Israelis, not only the Jews, but the Christians and Muslims, as well, who are Israeli citizens.
You are correct, on one point: one side will have to destroy the other side.
Yes. Apparently the version of the Quran written in Arabic is much different from the watered-down "politically correct" translations such as the ones into English. The original is very straightforward about the House of Islam being directed to subjugate the entire world: the Infidels have only three choices —convert to Islam, surrender to being treated like a slave class, or being killed. There is NO room in their teachings for peaceful co-existence with anyone, and certainly not the Jews or Christians!
I'm laughing, that doesn't sound much like "respect" to me! But I get it, many see it the way you do. Good enough, as the irrefutable maxim goes, "a mind is like a parachute, it only works when open."
Take a moment to read the original Hamas Charter, which called for the killing of Jews worldwide. With all due respect, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I have a few friends from Iran. They tell the story of how their people were conquered and converted from zorastism to Islam at the point of the sword. No options
That's right! From a tiny band of thieves attacking trader's camel trains, and then attacking villages and towns (and murdering, raping, pillaging, and enslaving) to conquering dozens of countries and forcibly converting nearly a quarter of humanity into the tyrrany of Islam, it has ALL BEEN DONE AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD (and NOW at gunpoint!). Mohammed, Islam's "Perfect Man", was nothing less than a lying, thieving, murdering, raping con-artist Pedophile, worse than Hitler and Ghengis Kahn put together— a disgusting MONSTER of a human being! The Muslims themselves are completely deceived!
Truth is Muslim jihadists - starting in the 7th century - conquered much of the Middle East, much of North Africa, large swaths of Asia, they conquered Chrsitianities 2nd most important seat, Constantinople, , Spain, southern France, and had their sights set on Rome. It was only then that the 1st Crusade began.
This is NOT to excuse what Christians did and have done throughout their history, but there is a big difference. First, though, the similarlity. Bioth religions sanction conversions, which obviously leads to horrors. But Islam sanctifies violence as part of its quest for converts, whereas Christian's holy books do NOT sanction violence.
During which time the Christian population has been steadily decreasing while the Muslim population has been taking over! The Middle East was almost entirely Christian before the Muslim takeover. For instance, Bethlehem was 95% Christian. Today it is barely 5%.
Hi Faith, I'm Jewish Israeli. May I ask if the comment you made here (there is no room for peaceful co-existence with these people) is coming from your OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? Or is it simply things that you heard/read and are blindly repeating without having any ACTUAL experience of living with muslims?
May I ask if you ever lived, for even just a month or two, with a local family in Palestine? Have you ever lived with the ACTUAL REAL people whom you are taught to so deeply hate and whose murder you cheer for and whose genocide you are celebrating (becasue we all know, don't we, that the conclusion we are meant to draw from this intense demonization and hatred of muslims - demonization which is heavily funded by Israel, by the way, i might go into that later - the conclusion we are meant to draw is that the zionist ruling class is justified in dispossesing, destroying and murdering "these evil people".
Perhaps because you have never lived with them but are taught to see only a flat image of 'evil people' that God-forgetting sectarian/tribalist propaganda taught you to see and hate...
Is it possible thst it is actually this anti-God sectarian ideology that we are taught which is ACTUALLY what leaves "no room for peaceful co-existence"? Is it possible yhat it is actually THIS ideology which is yhe intolerant and hateful one (while telling you 'they are tye evil ones')?
I am asking all this because I actually do have the experience of living for nine months with an indigenous palestinian family (the exact people you're taught to so deeply hate and whose genocidd you're taught to cheer on), and my own personal experience is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what you described here. I exprienced profound kindness, care and acceptance (not coercion, but acceptance). And do you, Faith, from whom i actually did experience incredible cruelty and hatred and intolerance and violence? From the very 0eople you're taught to admire and cheer for. From prodoundly brainwashed, arrogant, supremacist, heart-corrupted, indoctrinated and God-forgetting cruel zionist bullies who invented for themselves a fake sectarian tribaloat/nationalist "god", who suppoaedly chose them and supposedly gave them (or so they believe) the "divine right" to arrive from a different continent and murder, abuse, diaposses, torture, humiliate, steal, throw-out, beat to a pulp, kidnap, rape, brutalize, dehumanize and traumatize the local people in the land they covet as their own.
In MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (as an israeli who lived here my entire life, and as someone who lived for months with an indigenous palestinian family and experienced first hand, saw with my own eyes, the inspeakable CRUELTY, INHUMANITY, HATRED, HUMILIATION AND BRUTALITY that the mass-murdering supremacist Godless zionist terrorists inflict on the local people) in my personal experience, these savage zionist murderers are ACTUALLY the people who have "no room for peaceful co-existence", are ACTUALLY the ones who's heart has been profoindly corrupted by a sectarian tribalist/nationalist God-denying ideology of supremacy, these are ACTUALLY the ones who compltely forgot and reject God (but instead invented for themselves a fake sectarian nationalist "god", who supposedly makes them superior and more vsluable then others and who supposedly gives them the "divine right" to commit all the nazi atrocities mentioned above.
This has been my own first hand personal experience, and to me it seems that the hate-filled statements you made above are not rooted in actual reality but are based on learnt ideas (propaganda), on belief, on ideology, ideology that colours for how we view others, the image we have of others (wiyhoit even knowing them), ideology that seeks to justify and celebrate the dispossesion, dehimanization, erasure genocide of people you likely never met (but are taught to believe that they are "evil").
By the way, I highly recommend this short & insightful interview with a wise Israeli historian to learn the facts (since there seems to be a profound level of historical ignorance and indoctrination among some commenters here) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzWDWBn55g
There is a lot material from this historian on youtube, if interested to learn more about reality
I imagine that there were quite a few with the same opinions as you, living close to the Gaza border, employing Palestinians daily, attempting to live together in peace, and then waking up on October 7 to a different reality.
You are making A WHOLE LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS about me!
You sound a lot like the two young women a few years ago who wanted to demonstrate how wonderful the Muslim culture was, and how they had been so unfairly demonized, so the girls took a trip biking through Morocco. What happened? They got raped and BEHEADED!
Of course generalities do not apply to all individuals of a group. By no means are all Muslims fanatic. Many are relatively secular. But you cannot deny that orthodox Muslims who actually follow their religion have some pretty intolerant ideas about infidels. Do not let your experience of some good people color your attitude of the religion as a whole. And, likewise, many Jews have a very intolerant attitude, believing they are "God's Chosen People". And with their very violent, intolerant written "history" (actually mostly mythology) about slaughtering the inhabitants of Caanan, etc., their "Promised Land".
Religions are ALL basically made up! They are ALL myths and stories, not reality! They purport to explain the spiritual, but they do not. That is why they are ALL DIFFERENT! Not one of them is "truth". And they form the excuse for endless strife and violence. The three religions "Of The Book" all come from the Jewish "scriptures"— all accepting the same violent origin stories. All teaching "specialness" and exclusivity. Islam learned much from Judaism because Mohammed was tutored by a Jewess who read to him from the Torah, at least. That's where he got the idea to claim he was getting messages from the Angel Gabriel in order to con his fellow thieves into following him and embarking on a murderous campaign of plunder and conquest. It is ALL B.S.!!!!!
Thank you. Yes, you are right, I did get the wrong impression from your initial comment, which seemed to me to be highly sectarian/tribalistic and one-sided, and as if taken straight out of the hasbara (israeli propaganda ministry) playbook, withe handreds of millions they invest to demonize muslims in the eyes of gullible and uninformed westerners in order to justify their century-long supremacist project of dispossesion, throwing-our, taking over, and erasing of the local people in palestine. Your comment sounded word for word like the propaganda they push. And even though you claom yhat is not what you meant, that is actually how all other commentors understood it, judging by their reply to you, which subscribe to the zionist propaganda project to dehumanize and demonize the local people of palestine and justify their dispossesion and genocide. You never once corrected these other commentors as to what you claim to me tyat you meant, but instead have actually doubled down and reinforced their God-forgetting zionist hate ideology.
Regarding the content - yes, that is precisely why I suggested what I suggested in the second part of my reply (did you read that part? Starts with "this is part 2.."), to find a way to move beyond these divisive sectarian/tribalistic identities (or at least see clearly the disastrous consequences of identifying who i am with them) which seem to be at the root of the division and violence (explained in more depth in that part 2)
Ireland, a small island, has been forced to accept one million pretend Refugees.
But all of Arabia couldn't find room for 700K Genocidal Maniacs who preferred to stick with driving Israel into the sea instead of accepting citizenship graciously offered by the victors in a war the Pals started.
There is a reason why no Arab country wants to accept Palestinians, and that even Egypt blockaded Gaza from the South. What’s even more amusing is that much of the unrest and funding for Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah does not come from Arab states, but comes from Iran. Persian.
"If I may share my perspective, in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews, I'm fully aware that the trauma that supremacist zionist immigrants caused the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project to disposses, throw out, annihilate, dehumanize, massacre and erase of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around (the trauma caused to the zionist immigrants by the resistence of the local people to being dispossesed, massacred, abused and driven out of their home). Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% true to reality based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military.
And PLEASE also don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that details the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billionaire-owned media never tells you.. PLEASE do watch this.
(Plus the two links in the comment above)
This capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both "sides".
As someone who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' and 'Israeli' (but have already long ago seen through their inaccurate, distorting, corrupting, divisive, sectarian and God-denying nature) I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide and tribalistically pit against each other those who for centuries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the murder, abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, massacre and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
No, unfortunately, I didn't see part 2. I'm just working off what comes into my email inbox from Comments, and going back to locate that part of the thread can be an exercise in frustration with over 300 comments already! Maybe I just haven't figured out if there is a way to do it without combing through so many.
Just as an aside, and the misinterpretation of ‘God’s chosen people’ that terms comes from the idea that God chose the Jews to be the first people to be introduced to Him. It doesn’t mean that they are ‘chosen’ to be superior, rulers or anything else.
Everything is playing out exactly as Prophesied,but most are so full of ignorant fantasies about the Bible that they don't even know Armegeddon is God's vengeance on the Jew Haters.
Hello again Faith, this is part 2 of my reply (please see first part below)
If I may share my perspective, in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews, I'm fully aware that the trauma that supremacist zionists immigrants caused the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project to disposses, throw out, annihilate, dehumanize, massacre and erase of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around (the trauma caused to the zionist immigrants by the resistence of the local people to being dispossesed, massacred, abused and driven out of their home). Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% true to reality based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military.
And PLEASE also don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that details the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billionaire-owned media never tells you.. please don't turn away, PLEASE watch this
Now,, this capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both "sides".
As someone who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' and 'Israeli' (but have already long ago seen through their inaccurate, distorting, corrupting, divisive, sectarian and God-denying nature) I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide and tribalistically pit against each other those who for centuries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the murder, abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, massacre and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
In simplistic non-winded non-ALL CAPS terms, you are a self-hating Jew, if you really are one, that is. The self-hating White phenomena is “a thing” in the US, so why not you as well. I’m not asking a question, I’m stating a fact. Your (as well as Faith’s, in the above banter) comments are so Biblically and God-knowingly ignorant, it is abysmal. You people have No knowledge of God’s divine appointments and decrees (any real Torah studying Jew knows these as irreversible covenants btw) made Specifically and Solely to the Jews and Their land, Israel. No one else! Too bad what the butt-hurt Arabs think. “Palestinian” is a century old made up term for these Arab pawns. They are just agenda-driven pawns. Your Zionist terminology is misplaced and inaccurate. Sounds like something right out of the playbook from that Qanon Cult. What you should be focusing on are the globalists and their evil agendas for the earth, which is a sphere. Flat earthers gonna hate here.
Unfortunately this is the second hit piece on Israelis in this Substack which is unfortunate given outstanding journalism by John across other topics.
Drudging up leftists born Jews like Finkelstein and Bernie Sanders for that matter is meaningless. Citing the UN of which less than half its members are free democratic nations, and only 17 out of 43 on its Security Council is meaningless.
The Palestinians have been offered statehood 5 times since 1948 and have turned down statehood 5 times. Isn’t it clear by now that the Palestinian movement exists ONLY to extinguish Israel, Israelis and the Jews and NOT to form a thriving Palestinian state? Attack Israel and it will fight like her life depends on it because it does.
This was a GREAT interview(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MfnpuafBg) you placed Debbi! John Leake could have easily made THIS the main subject or a big part of this newsletter. What a powerful interview from this amazing pair of Muslim and Jewish women. I learned so much I never knew about Israel; best example is that many enlistees in the IDF(Israeli Defense Forces) are actually Muslim. This young woman was SO powerful, so poised, such a great representative of humanity.
The book, 'Stealth Invasion' by Leo Hohmann; a book banned by Amazon immediately following it's release in 2021 has an Interview with a Catholic Nun living in Syria as a Christian since birth until her calling into Holy Orders. She spoke in depth about being a minority surrounded by Islam and how people were treated and taxed exorbitantly. She reported the Qu'ran and various Hadith based upon the life of Mohammed demands every average Muslim to gruesomely murder all non-Muslims 33,000 times in total. Though there has been a background with instruction into Islam; have never taken the time to count the commands as this Nun did.
Furthermore, Jihad is one of 10 Practices of Islam; although it is not one of the five Pillars. Various sects allot less importance to it than other sects...It's not universally valued or practiced. Jihad is not merely about violence; it is about WORLD COUP/MUSLIM CALIPHATE universalized. One form of Jihad is, "RESETTLEMENT/IMMIGRATION INTO FOREIGN LANDS TO INFEST NATIVE POPULATIONS AND BREED THE INFIDELS OUT TO BE REPLACED WITH ISLAM." (Not difficult to imagine the reason Amazon banned the book, is it?)
This is factual and this information was common knowledge and spoken of freely only a few decades ago...A few years ago before this heinous censorship of truth by enemies of the Constitution were fraudulently installed into the Oval Office and as majority in the Senate as in 2020.
I have many questions about the Interview with Russell Brand since Finkelstein never told the whole story surrounding the situation. He addresses the fact of his opinion to be based upon the letters or statements recorded of Israeli Soldiers and only a few indicate any remorse. Just because they didn't express remorse directly following the incidents doesn't mean they didn't feel it after all was cool and calm.
He neglects to point out he obvious fact based in his own information that a country like Gaza of such population density would necessitate ALL INNOCENT CIVILIANS to be used as 'shields' simply because there is no area or region NOT being used by civilians. Given that fact, they deliberately place innocent civilians in harm's way when they attack Israel.
They attack Israel every single time the U.S. ALLOWS LIQUID CAPITAL INTO IRAN...A pattern of behavior fed by the OBastards throughout all three Administrations of the last 16 yrs.
He defines Gaza an 'Open Prison' or a 'Concentration Camp' and that may well be fact; however, it is not difficult to recall a time the Muslims were blowing-up cafe's and Public Events, parties and Receptions in terrorist attacks multiple times every single day...So, what does he expect 'The People' to do when a people opt for murder at every turn?
Finally, as a scholar he fully knows the actual history of the west; the actual group behind all the Wars for Profit and Totalitarian World Coup...The City of London funding all sides of every war in the world for their own gain. It isn't difficult to imagine it to be time TO CONFRONT THE REAL ENEMY OF ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET SEEKING TO OWN ALL AND EVERYTHING WHILE DEPOPULATING AND ENSLAVING WHATEVER SURVIVES. NEVER HAS THE GROUP BEEN ACCOUNTABLE OR PUNISHED...AND, IT'S HIGH TIME.
Exactly WHAT was wrote to claim I SAID anything about Trump allowing capital to flow into Iran? HE DID NOT...HE REMOVED IT. The Obastards placed capital and assets into Iran and a conflagration resulted.
Perhaps, you can refresh my memory as Trump utterly removed all access to liquid capital from Iran as one of his first acts in office. After a few years, the fires were put-out and all calmed while the Iranian people sufferred under extreme inflation. This was as true in the News as reinforced via Peter Santenello on his channel in YouTube when he used his Italian Visa to enter into Iran to ascertain the actual lifestyles of the people with the embargo and lack of access to Banking.
Food was excessively costly even beyond what the OBastards have done to food in the U.S. in their Grand Scheme with The Black Nobility to STARVE THE PLANET or humiliate those The Black Nobility continue to view their OWNED HUMAN CATTLE HERD with forcing a diet of insects, worms and their Pseudo Cancerous Tumor Meat fed with Infant Cells from those Murdered in the Womb we camouflage by calling it an innocuous and benign word like 'abortion' which was in actuality a medically defined process of the human body for expelling an already dead fetus WHICH HUMANS DIDN'T MURDER; but was in fact an act of God.
TREASONOUS OBASTARDS allowed multiple billions into Iran just as the Treasonous Dementia-Ridden, Pedo Avatar for OBASTARD has done and the whole Middle East has again erupted and expoded as it did when ISIS formed and they refused to deal with it.
You don't recall all the televised beheadings...All which ended when Trump enterred office and ended the flow of capital? After a few years, the Iranians phoned to beg for negotiations and he refused to speak.
Been watching Corporate Media owned by the Military-Industrial Complex or perhaps, you're a paid PROPAGANDA/LIE infester to poison society and divide it...
Are you yet another paid 'Mind Screw' of the intellectually weak and stupid trapped in 'Wishful Thinking' attacking truth, facts and sanity in Substack as so many others?
Ramallah was 95% Christian also. The Christians who had resources elsewhere in the world left because of the zionists murdering men, women and children during the Deir Yassin massacre and in other towns, putting the carved up bodies on open bed trucks, then driving through towns like Ramallah with a bullhorn, proclaiming that this would be done to you if you don't leave. My father's father put him on a plane to the U.S., as his scholarship to Oxford was no longer existent after the 1948 invasion. Muslims had nothing to do with this and my Christian family had lived in Ramallah since 1300. In fact, when zionists didn't occupy all the homes left by those who could in 1948, mostly uneducated and rural Muslims moved into those homes, resulting in Ramallah becoming majority Muslim. The "abuse" by Muslims of the Christians that I'm aware of included Muslim children throwing candy wrappers into my aunt's yard, but then picking them up when she'd yell at them. Not great neighbors, but not taking her home. She was not afraid of them, but was terrified of the IDF rolling into Ramallah, ruining every road with tanks, shooting indiscriminately (killing her friend who was doing dishes in front of a window), taking young boys and disappearing with the kids, re-routing water lines to water American looking yards with grass resulting in destruction of olive orchards.
It’s painfully true, just take a deep dive in a study of the crusades, it’s even worse monks, priests preaching whole cities, villages to recruit them to go to Jerusalem to fight Muslims, all women, children, elderly without organisation leaving everything behind and moving. Nobody arrived all died, children sold, women raped or condemned to slavery, elderly died of exhaustion, not to talk of massacres by thugs, gangs
You said Christians ate people...And, I know that is NOT correct. To my knowledge; Christians, Muslims and Jews DO NOT EAT HUMAN BEINGS...But, the brutal 'Earth Mother Pagans' worshiping demon-gods as Ba'al, Molech, Baphomet did AND CONTINUE TO DO SO...They are the one's throwing babies and children into roaring fires and drums with huge cymbals played to cover the screaming. They are the one's torturing and murdering young babies and children; raping them...For an Adrenochrome fix.
As for 'The Crusades', I know much of what you say is correct and you're not going back far enough as the Muslims took the land and people at the point of a sword to begin with following the fall of Rome and Mohammed's grand vison in the dessert leading to the massacre of Medina. You're not stating another fact about the Muslims attacking pilgrims to the Holy Land from Christian Europe which is the reason 'The Crusades' began to start with.
While I have not dived into that Rabbit Hole myself; I know others who have and you're missing details told to me. I have no references; thus I will not speak any more than I have. Don't personally write anything in here or anywhere without a reference.
Canabalism continues today in the form of injecting people with vaccines and other products that were manufactured, tested or developed using cell cultures derived from the harvesting of organs of healthy babies during their abortion. Use of these products, to me, is worshipping of Molech, sacrificing children to save oneself.
Actual cannabalism IS PRACTICED TODAY by the Satanic/Luciferains; Ritual Torture and Rape of babies, children, young people...As they like the young and innocent most of all. Evil always best feeds upon the innocent.
They are not merely harvesting organs...They are literally using syringes to remove the 10 cc's of Adrenochrome produced from the Spinal Column before eating the human flesh.
They do NOT sacrifice to any of their Demon-Gods to save themselves...They do it for POWER, KNOWLEDGE OF EVIL. Are you aware knowledge of metalworking actually came from hell to Tubal-Cain...Cain's son? While killing is sometimes necessary for self-defence...Eating human beings is an act generally practiced by the Demons Wearing Human Being Suits even to the present day.
THE GOOD NEWS IS...THEY ARE NOW MOSTLY EXPOSED AND AMONG THE NUMBERS INTO THIS ABOMINATION AND HORROR ARE THE Bush/Clinton/Obastard Crime Families...Soros, Gates, Kissinger, Scwab and other Billionaires and others of The Black Nobility now being reported as Pedophiles.
Just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't make them one. If someone kills and eats their fellow man, then no matter who they claim to be, they are not a Christian.
NEVER DID CHRISTIANS EAT PEOPLE. You are sadly mistaken...As that kind of profane abomination is pretty much exclusive to Satan/Luciferian Worshipers mostly refered to belong to various brutal 'Earth Mother Death Cults' throughout the whole Earth in primitive cultures.
The Crusades were a horror show. They went on for centuries. So there’s been some pretty serious hatred resulting from various interpretations of Christian doctrine as well. Hatred is the precursor to violence. Intolerance is a precursor to hatred. To stop violence we need to stop the intolerance and hatred.
Even if it were true (and it's not), you have to go back hundreds of years to even attempt to make any sort of moral equivalency. Meanwhile, we are talking about acts of outrageous barbarism and shocking cruelty committed by the so-called "Palestinians" THREE MONTHS AGO.
Agree, but who opened the gates of hell? Bibi and no-one else, it was all planned 6 months earlier or…….can the New York Times spreading misinformation?
That’s not true regarding Christians (crusaders were Catholic not Christians) It’s no where in scripture to ‘eat’ anyone. If a delusional person takes action against the Bible that’s not biblical. The Quran says to kill - now, consistently.
There’s a whole army of fact checkers alarmed and on the rescue to save the one true religion Christianity according to them completely different from Catholics….beeeehhhh but what’s the difference in the end both wanted to free Jerusalem from those, we now call them Terrorists, Barbarians that sacrilege the Holy Land and one true God. Just for the record how many Jews (originally Hebrews) fought with those barbarians against the Christian/Catholic occupier……you should raise your eyebrows!
She never never wondered who her son is, forget about the father….characteristic for these times, fleeing fathers, cowards just like their gods fleeing mothers
If I may share my perspective as someome who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' & 'Israeli', in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews (and christian zionists), I'm fully aware that the trauma that supremacist zionist immigrants inflicted on the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project to disposses, massacare, annihilate, dehumanize, throw-out and erase of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around. Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% factual based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military. And after that docu PLEASE don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that tells you the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billi9naire's media never mention.. please don't turn away, PLEASE watch this
This capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both sides.
As someone who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' and 'Israeli' (but have already long ago seen through their inaccurate, distorting, corrupting, limiting, imprisoning, divisive, sectarian and God-denying nature, and so have shed these labels) I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen (not only today but for more than a century now) is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide the non-wealthy, to tribalistically pit against each other those who for centruries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, murder and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
You are correct; however, you seem to be overlooking that Judaism holds the belief that all non-Jews are animals. Additionally, it posits that eventually, the goyim will become their slaves willingly.
Another distinction is that Islam does not exert control over NGO groups, imposing weaponized immigration on our countries. Strikingly, every NGO is led by dual Israeli citizens.
To provide a broader perspective, consider watching Europa, as it stands as the most accurate and highly detailed presentation of this history ever assembled.
It may be more to the point to get your information about Judaism from sources other than the internet. Judaism does not hold the believe that non Jews are animals.
The opinion of one rabbi now extends to an entire group of people? Seriously? Should I quote Hitler to you, to indicate some kind of reality? And the quotation about animals is from October 10. I suspect that if someone came into your home, raped and mutated your wife, raped and butchered your children, you might think of them as an animal. Get real.
Assuming that message was in response to my comment, the evidence, for my statements are ubiquitous.
It literally says this in the Talmud, and there are more than a dozen videos of rabbis repeating this in interviews. Nothing I have stated is an opinion.
I would venture to say that 90% of Jews have never read a Talmud, much less seen one. The Talmud is basically an interpretation of the Torah, from a small group of rabbis, from centuries ago. Extremely Orthodox Jews study and discuss it. Perhaps what’s more apt is the original Hamas Charter, written only 35 years ago. A bit more current and well known
And yet every NGO group that floods our country with incompatible immigration is always controlled by dual Israeli citizens. Both Hamas and Zionists have no place in our country but unfortunately, one of those two groups controls the majority of our government, banks, MSM, search engines, immigration, judiciary, Big Pharma and until we remove their influence no amount of activism or elections will ever make a dent in our collective turmoil.
There is no official indication anywhere of ‘dual citizens’ in the US government, NGO’s etc. ALL that information comes from internet ‘sources’, that apparently assume that if you are Jewish, you can immediately become an Israeli citizen. Take a moment and look up what the requirements are, even if you’re Jewish. Israel must be your permanent residence for 5 years. So how many of your dual citizens have lived in Israel??
Even if Hamas surrenders, the Palestinians raised in Gaza have known nothing but oppression, apartheid, confinement and disproportionate force used against them and their families. The children have witnessed the slaughter of their people and this is all they have known. It would take extraordinary benevolence and forbearance exceptional forgiveness to for them not to adopt an attitude of hatred and revenge.
I'm not saying it can't be done. But I sure couldn't overcome that generational past and find a way to live with the likes of Netanyahu and what he represents.
It sounds like this is a subject you are pretty heated about and that is understandable. From whatever angle I try to look at it it is a horrendous situation. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t be affected. I can see that.
Maybe we don’t see this the same way, but I have seen some of your other comments that align exactly with my views.
I have felt stranded by folks who once I saw as allies and have found common ground where I would never have thought to look.
I am glad to be alive and to be open to new experiences and learning with every sunrise.
If you research the Hamas origins, you might change your mind. Modern Israel was created by European colonialist to gaurantee future conflict, and MIC profits. War is good business for the "elites". They NEED Hamas. Thats why they created it....
More of the nonsense that Israel spouts because what they are experiencing is an 'opportunity' to ethnically cleanse and grab the land. Blame the other, never even consider negotiation in good faith. It's all about the business opportunities.
Perhaps they refer to the people who effected October 7 as ‘human animals’. I would suspect that even you might consider the behavior on that day as barbaric.
You don’t quite get it yet. The longstanding enmity between the two sides is merely an excuse for waging war to feed the military industrial complex. The MIC needs constant war to thrive. If we ever achieved peace, the MIC would fabricate a war out of whole cloth...as it just did in Ukraine. The MIC needs “perma-enemies”. Just as we’ll be hearing about Covid-19 variants for the next decade. This is the not-so-new normal. Endless crises, pandemics and war. Until “We the People” put a stop to it.
I believe it actually goes back to when Mohammed went to the Jewish leaders of his day, and asked them to accept him as a prophet. They refused, and from that point on, Mohammad viewed Jews as the enemy.
oh I get that very well. Recognising that we are involved in an elite top down horror show is a first step in confronting the reality of what is happening. Though how to deal with this is the challenge.
Israel has shown no mood for negotiation or relenting and they actually do have all the military force, power and money. They can and are kill Palestinians in huge numbers, starve them to death, deprive them of every necessity to sustain life and prevent horrific pain and death. The Palestinians have nothing.
Israel has been hit, and pushed too far,1 time too many; they are fed up with the ambush attacks against their civilians, so no, this time they will not stop until Hamas is no longer a threat. However, you are quite wrong about who is killing the most "Palestinians"! It is not Israelis, but Hamas! THEY withhold the food, giving it only to themselves; they shoot " Palestinian" civilians who try to flee to safety, away from the areas IDF has alerted them are to be bombed, shelled, or otherwise attacked. "Palestinians" have nothing because that is what they have chosen, and would again choose, given the option.
You seem to have been feeding from the trough of propaganda served daily by the extreme right wing Israeli government desperate to paint the Palestinians as evil in order to enforce their inhumane genocidal agenda.
There is no actual evidence for what you are saying, but a great deal of evidence is acknowledged not only by global organisations such as the UN, Amnesty International, Medecin sans Frontieres, plus Israeli and Jewish scholars and journalists such as Norman Finkelstein, Ilan Pape, Gideon Levy, Max Blumenthal et al - that the Israelis have enforced a tyrannical blockade on Gaza for many years. Moreover, even mainstream media has conceded that it is the Israelis killing fleeing Palestinians and not their own people.
If you are going to make such comments as you do, please supply documented proof or give references. Otherwise they are unfounded and highly racist claims, designed only to defend perpetrators of evil.
The Palistinians have nothing because their leaders and other leaders in the Arab world want them as martyrs. Read about Clinton and the Camp David summits between Israel and the Palistinians. Clinton was exasperated by Yasser Arafat who said no to every single proposal put forward and refused to negotiate. Gaza is a ghetto that has been created and maintained intentionally, as all ghettos are.
Wrong. Recall that there was a ceasefire prior to the evil atrocities of Hamas, cheered by over 80% of Palestinian people (who voted Hamas in and treat their children to hate and kill Jews). Stop the ignorance NOW.
That ceasefire was an intensely cruel blockade on Gaza, creating living conditions likened by many, especially those who visited from other countries, to a 'concentration camp'
I see that so many others have accurately responded to your non-historical and jaded account of information so I will try not to repeat anything as they did an excellent job showing that you were inaccurate.
Please read history- even recent history, when Israel completely removed itself from Gaza, and left a beautiful coastline with infrastructure, and what did the Arabs in so-called Palestine do? Voted in a terrorist regime a.k.a. Hamas, and then completely destroyed their ability to be independent within inherently demonic view to crush Israel and remove Israel completely from the land. Why didn’t any other Arab land take them in? Why did the other Arabs decimate the Hews in their own lands? It is unfortunate that you do not understand spiritually, what is going on, nor even objective information historically, what is going on, and if you only look rationally to see who has initiated the violence, including recently in Washington DC as the “mostly peaceful protesters“ just like Soros backed antifa, with the pro alleged Palestinian, only look at violence and hatred. It is so transparent it is only if you’re willfully, blind and willfully ignorant as scripture says that you will not see this - primary issue is whether or not you truly know God’s Son Jesus Christ and whether you are saved that’s the bottom line question. I pray the He gives you repentance and faith to take the scales off your eyes. His history will prevail and it will get worse for Israel as they have hardened their hearts to Him. And even a secular view would reveal to an objective person that the Arabs are the aggressors aka Hamas and Palestinians. But if you intentionally choose to not see reality you won’t. I pray that God will allow your heart to see clearly. 🙏
I see I am in with the revisionists, so enjoy your beautiful lies on the dead bodies and immense suffering of so many innocent people. I think you are going to find Israelis will be the most reviled and unwelcome people on earth following the misery they are blatantly and before our eyes inflicting on others.
And please, save your prayers for yourself, that you learn to overcome your blinkered heavily propagandised version of reality, throw of your outrageous racism and discover a small nugget of genuine love in your heart just as any decent person has that might reach out to help and embrace others rather than be on a rampage to destroy them.
I am over and out with thread. Read enough nonsense to last a lifetime. If you and your ilk can't see mass murder for what it is there is no helping you.
“we, as a species, can never seem to overcome our tribal, warlike nature. We seem to be stuck with it.” And if you open your eyes you will see that there are powerful entities that profit from fanning the flames of our tribalism. It is they that are the enemy of us both.
You say, "You won't catch me taking sides in this tribal war." That seems to me like taking the easy way out. Just like most fortunate, well to do people you're living in a cocoon of ease. It doesn't do to get emotionally involved in the suffering of others. "I got mine," you say, and look aside. I think that's grotesque. Sure, the human tribal impulse has been endlessly destructive but each situation is different. What's going on in Gaza shows tens of thousands of innocent people including many children blown to bits by 2000 lb bombs and military hardware furnished by your own US government. 80% of the population who survived have no home and are near starvation. 80% of their homes, their gardens and workplaces, have been destroyed. This is genocide and American collusion in it is a war crime. Biden should be in jail for the tons of money he keeps handing over to a Zionist killing machine driven insane with revenge. For you to nimbly step aside from lifting your voice and saying NO MORE MASSACRE OF THE INNOCENTS is beyond distasteful. Oh, and let's address the elephant in the room here. You (like I) are a big supporter of RFK Jr's policies regarding Big Pharma. He's been a treasure for us in that regard. But he's revealed another side of himself with his unbending support of the fake Zionist ideology of being defenders of "the chosen people" and the criminal insistence that being anti-Zionist equals being anti-Semitic. Bobby has lost it. And it's distasteful that virtually all the big Substack health freedom writers have scrupulously avoided mention of Gaza, like they can't risk offending their hero? Well, count me out
Dear Michael Brownstein, I have never been to Gaza or Israel and the only thing I know about this latest conflict consists of electronic representations and passionate assertions from people who strongly identify with one side or the other. Norman Finkelstein has apparently spent a great deal of timing visiting this region and studying this conflict, so I shared his interview with our readers. Best regards, John Leake
Thanks for responding, John. But endless videos and images taken by reporters and drones and satellites represent a broad array of media views that cannot be dismissed as simply "electronic representations." Many risked and some lost their lives in the process. Videos of people desperately and hopelessly pulling away at collapsed buildings to try and save those buried as well as many images and interviews from the horror story going on inside the bombed hospitals in Gaza, mothers lining up outside with dying children in their arms, children operated on without anesthesia. While out in utterly unsafe streets people are fighting each other for scraps of food, for water. This is real. There IS a side to be taken in this racist attempt to obliterate an entire people, and save for the dupes the absurd statement that Palestinians are "just Arabs" because it's not their "race" but their distinct culture which proves they exist. It's unbelievable to me that someone like RFK Jr with his history of understanding how propaganda is generated and for whose benefit refuses to accept what's going on in Gaza. I doubt Bobby can be forgetting this is the same Zionist government which made a secret deal with Pfizer giving them complete immunity while allowing them to inoculate the Israeli population with an unproven fake vaccine including with penalties for those who refused? Instead he regurgitates absurd ethnic cleansing propaganda like calling the Palestinian people pampered. Am I saying Palestinians are better than any other people? No. But Bobby in my estimation by taking such a rigid stance must be looking for the "Jewish vote" in the US and the big money coming from the Israel First cabal here. And I say this as a Jew. Whereas those Jewish kids in the streets wearing t-shirts demanding ceasefire now are to be celebrated. They are the future, young people trying their best to find trust in a demonized enemy. This holds true for both sides of the monotheistic fanaticism which has caused endless bloodshed for centuries and which now, with the weapons at hand, could bring to a close our muddled human experiment.
But what does it say about you that you would choose one of the most insidious self-hating Jews one could ,possibly find? No need to answer. It's a rhetorical question.
yes, RFK is a major disappointment, maddening because his health advocacy work has been stellar. It is hard to fathom his disconnect on the Israeli/Palestine issue.
There is a right side and a wrong side. There never were such a “tribe” or nation as Palestinians. They are nothing more than Arab pawns being used by an evil agenda to “off” the Chosen Ones. Too bad if you or anyone else is butt-hurt over this term. God calls the shots and no one else. The Arabs are the envious ones of old who were children of the flesh and not of the spirit. Because God is merciful, He also blessed those people. Israel belongs to NO ONE but His covenant people. There is nothing some stupid military or pathetic Human race or nation can do to change this. And He’s returning the second time very soon to rule with His own. Tribulation is imminent so repent and believe in the Jew’s Messiah Savior.
I'm Jewish and Israeli. I'm NOT a chosen one. I'm NOT above any other human being. I was NOT given "divine" rights to murder, disposses, torture, massacare, annihilate, throw out, steal the land, abuse and killl the local people in Palestine. God is NOT a tribal sectarian supremacist nationalist. God is the POLAR OPPOSITE of this anti-life Nazi sectarian ideology of Godless supremacy that you described here.
If I may share my perspective, in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews (and christian zionists), I'm fully aware that the trauma & violence that supremacist zionist immigrants inflicted on the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project of dispossesion, massacring, annihilation, dehumanization, expulsion, and ERASURE of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around. Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% factual based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military. And after that docu PLEASE don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that tells you the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billi9naire's media never mention.. please don't turn away, PLEASE watch this
This capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both sides.
As a Jewish Israeli' I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen (not only today but for more than a century now) is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide & tribalistically pit against each other those who for centruries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, murder and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
I used to go to a laundry run by a Lebanese lady. She told me that we anglo saxons have no idea how middle easterners think. It is completely foreign to our thinking process. This was reinforced when a missionary couple related a story of a muslim fighter who was injured and was a patient at their hospital. They ministered to him counselled him to give up fighting and killing Jews and he agreed. Same day he was released he went out, got a gun and rejoined his cadre. I keep that in mind when listening to reports on the middle east war.
Ok. I read a bunch of comments and after doing so, came back and listened to this Finkelstein character talk a bit. I got to the point how he self-righteously starts declaring how the Israeli's have declared a public genocide on the Gazan's.
-- Don't start a war with genocide if you don't expect it returned your way.
-- Don't harbor a genocidal actor in your damn hospitals and allow this actor to rape and murder your neighbor(like the neighbor or not) and expect the neighbor to not repay YOU, too, in kind.
-- Don't tell me that even IF the Israeli's have declared to push these bastards into the sea that they are guilty of genocide. The Muslims have for decades declared genocide publicly on Israel and America. F' them.
We call out tribalism! We can say the Muslims want to destroy the Jews & Christians & we can say that the Christians & Jews have systematically killed Muslims! This is the 21st Century & we need to go beyond religion (all patriarchal/testosterone driven) & look at what has happened in Gaza! The Palestinians there (Muslim & Christian alike) are being murdered! They are in a 25mi long/2.5mi wide concentration camp that is being bombed daily. Their water & food is basically gone. Their hospitals are gone & they cannot escape across the border into Egypt! 22K+ civilians have been killed by bombs, many coming from the U.S.! I call this GENOCIDE & I do NOT want my tax dollars spent killing innocent people!
Netanyahu & his Zionists need to go to an island with meet Hamas & fight it out there! Leave the innocent civilians out of the mix! I've said this many times in the last 60+ years, MEN go to an island & point your PENISES at each other there! May the best squirt WIN!!!
Thanks to Hamas, whom the Gazans chose, and still choose now, at a rate of 75%! If you have a beef with what's happening in Gaza, take it up with HAMAS!
The new world never forgets the atrocities of the old world, even many centuries in the past. Hell, the two brothers, both sons of Abraham, are still fighting among themselves and hijacking the rest of the world with their mutual hatred.
So, I actually disagree that "we" are "stuck" with "our" tribal violent and warring nature.
Most of the population of planet Earth are not very violent or prone to bouts of society wide insanity, viscousness, & murder entitled "War."
Women, as a rule, do not make weapons, either historically, or currently, at large scale, nor do armies of women march across the landscapes of Earth killing & looting as they go. Neither do children.
Not unless they have been murderously attacked, enslaved or physiologically manipulated into doing so, under EXTREME duress.
The males of this species have problems with their aggressive natures, when raised in a violent environment. That's the whole problem.
Psychological experiments show that if you raise the males without violence, aggression, abuse, & manipulation, without societal pressure to become violent, they are not either, on any large scale.
But, if a society is both patriarchal & war based, as is virtually every single society on Earth is, to some degree, then the violence keeps repeating, like a bad record.
Why the women & the children of Earth put up with this insanity, is another question. I suppose it is basically a planetary case of "Stockholm Syndrome."
But it always galls me when a man, steeped in the acceptance of the war culture of his ancestors, comes out and declares that humanity is made this way.
No. No it is NOT.
Study the Iroquois, the Minoans, and other matriarchal or female/male balanced peaceful societies.
Study female as opposed to male problem solving. Consider, when women are sane & healthy, how often they would declare war on a peaceful neighbor???
Not much. Not often.
The problem is all the dratted men, and women, who have normalized this utter fucking insanity.
Boys, you need to retire from leadership roles for 6000 years. Then the mothers of Earth will have enough time to fully heal humanity from all the psychosis created by war.
PS- read "Saharasia" by James DeMeo, PhD, to understand more fully the reality of war & male dominant societies.
You know Kath, it is not that us guys can "help" it. Not asking for a pass here, but hey, there are these little guys in the way called genes, and more, called hormones. They are NOT there by chance. There is a reason the creator made both sexes as they are, defective as we all may seem. We can analyze the history and psychology of this till the cows come home but it will do no good, it will also do no good to let women run the world for a year or 6000. Those with the power will lord it over the rest, regardless of their sex or lack thereof.
And by the way, women have their own petty manipulative disgusting traits that gall me and I am often embarrassed by my own sex. The strict rod of discipline with positive reinforcement needs to be used on both sexes Equally as children so that they develop into upstanding hardworking righteous adults instead of violent lying and vulgar immoral low life animals.
OK, I have to say something here: "Study the Iroquois . . ." WHOA?!
Possibly, I missed the main point of this sentence, but to make sure we are on the same page. . . The Iroquois, of ALL the Indian tribes impinging upon the 17th century pilgrims / puritans around New Amsterdam and Virginia were THE MOST SAVAGE of all. They had ALL their Indian neighbors around them scared "shitless" with their over the top merciless tortures and enslavement. I will not go into the gory details here but if YOU want to learn more of the truth of this you can consider reading The Barbarous Years by Bernard Bailyn.
Understand that there were peace chiefs, & war chiefs. And yes the Iroquois could be warlike. But I suggest you look at their tradition of "burying the hatchet" under the "Peace Tree" and the actual organization of the Iroquois Federation, and the way that the early women's rights movement in New York had learned, on Iroquois reservations, that women could be treated with respect & walk safely alone without fear of attack or rape.
There was a lot to the Iroquois system that worked well. "Saharasia" and the book, "Sisters in Spirit," from the Six Nations Indian Museum in Upstate New York gives an good view.
And it was the French that taught the Native Americans scalping, if the books I read were correct...
Katherine, please read some actual accounts from Puritans / settlers on the plains about the practices and what exactly the Indians did to each other and to the settlers. If you heard anything about what the Hamas Gazans did to women, children(the tortures, rapes while family members were forced to watch, beheading babies, gutting.) just multiply that level of atrocity by about 10. Algonquins, Narragansets, Iroquois . . . were savages. It is no surprise to see that word in Thomas Jefferson's original draft of the Declaration of Independence.
I'm not sure matriarchal societies are peaceful and kind - the reverse, probably.
PS Edit: In Australian Indigenous cultures women (and children) were apparently allowed to be as emotional as they liked, but they weren't allowed to hold weapons (First Word). I thought that was quite sensible.
Wow! I guess you slept through history classes, or just ditched them altogether! Women have been involved in the making and uses of weapons throughout history, even in matriarchal societies! "Rosie the Riveter" ring any bells??? Molly Pitcher??? I suppose they were before your time. Maybe you heard the expression "the female is always deadlier", which applies to other species besides just humans? Suffice it to say your rosy view of humans missed an whole library of chapters!
I’m seeing at least as many ruthlessly corrupt female psychopaths pushing the covid/climate scams and all manner of political, corporate and judicial white-collar abuse. I have zero illusions that anything run by women will somehow be better than if run by men.
Do you not think those men's women had input into their ambitions and aggressions??? I know about wars; but I also know about HUMANS, from A&P, to psychology, to spirituality, do you. Can you separate your own obvious dislike for men (do you know its origins in you?) from how you view geopolitical events? Are you aware of the spiritual components to the current, as well as past, human history?
It may come as a surprise to you, but I have, in fact, read those, and other, books as well, long since, AND I have served in our military, as well as being the child of 2 veterans, taught by veterans through most of my school years, and lived among refugees from around the world. I am far from ignorant about the nature of war. Do you know what really drives wars. Not "men", a specific sin: GREED! Money is the bottom line, as usual.
Do you realize our full human history? I do not think so. Frankly I always liked males much better than females most of my life, was a complete Tom boy, grew up out in the woods on my horse, wilderness guiding, or in a garage with the boys, or, had my nose in a book.
But, Vietnam destroyed my generation. My brothers escaped but oh so many of my college friends were ruined by it. Ditto our Nation, and the split in half it created of those who were for it or against it.
I read the "Pentagon Papers" at sixteen. "Johnny Got His Gun." "Killer Angels."
And was told to sit under my desk in Fairfax, Virginia when the nuclear bombs were coming, after they told us it would basically incinerate everything for a 10 mile radius.
Now this insane world, run by insane men & insane women is trying to get back to World Wars and Nuclear Holocaust.
But if you study history, spend time in all those blood soaked battle fields, and if you are a women, it may dawn on you, slowly perhaps, but none the less you may come to realize that through the course of human history, it was NOT women who did this.
Nor did they initiate them in the vast majority of cases.
I have raised, generationally, Throughbred horses & German Shepherd Dogs.
I kept stallions & full male dogs, as I like the males the way God made them, full of all the power & energy that their testosterone provides.
But, they can be trouble, for sure, usually with other males. And not everyone wants to deal with this, nor can they. But because of my life history & background, I CLEARLY understand the difference between the symphony that is Estrogen, Progesterone, & Oxytocin, & the drumbeat that is testosterone.
Look at violent criminals in prisons worldwide. They are uniformly male.
We kid ourselves if we do not understand the consequences of raising males in violent situations or by normalizing the insanity that is warfare.
Boys raised without the violence rarely develop it, but their natural instincts do set them up for responding when they are told they have an enemy, differently than the average female.
What I cannot tolerate is that humanity has not learned to lay down it's weapons & work together for a peaceful planet yet. Especially after WW l & WW ll & the Nuclear Age.
And the 6000 year history of this madness would not exist, in my personal opinion, without an unreasonable acceptance, in men & in women, of male related violence
Again, it may come as a shock to you, but it was during the height of Vietnam that I served, and I have in fact, visited battlefields as well.
I still firmly say it is not masculinity, nor hormones that are the problem, or even a symptom! War is, at times, a very necessary evil, in fact, which reality, I suspect escapes you entirely.
STOP your hating on males and testosterone, and THINK, if you can do that, about WHO WINS any war, ever? Who benefits from a war? Has any of that once crossed your mind?
The instigators are those who are also the winners, not the ones who fight, or even send the troops to do so! They are those who PROFIT from the wars: the weapons and munitions manufacturers, those who make the uniforms, and transport all the above to the troops! THOSE are the instigators and winners! They are quite skilled a pushing buttons and stirring up passions, but it's ALL to put money in their pockets, without a care to all those hurt by their wars!
I have no hatred of males, in fact I love them. But I'm trained in biology, psychology, breeding, & history.
And the facts become evident. I do not hold any animosity towards those men & women who sign up to serve their countries, in fact I consider them to quite often be the finest individuals in a nation. They are willing to give their lives for others.
It's your hatred of my perspective that I'm seeing. And to understand it I think you would need to read something like James DeMeo's "Saharasia" & then reflect on the 6000 year history of warfare among human "tribes."
And then brought forward until today, when we have created the means to destroy our entire planet and all life on it for our addiction to killing other people.
War is only acceptable in defense.
And no wars are initiated by a defense, they are most often initiated by "false flags."
The day after President Kennedy was assassinated, the order to move all the military gear organized & stockpiled for the invasion of Japan, to South East Asia was signed.
War is big business. Banksters control them. I know this well, too.
But the root issue goes into biology, psychology, sociopathy, psychopathy & narcissism and our blindness to, and acceptance of, primarily, male violence, aggression, greed & destructive competitive values.
There is positive competition & there is negative competition. Individual biological "wins" that lead to total societal "fails."
We need to get a lot smarter, imho, if we are to deal successfully with the technology now available to the aggressive & the amoral.
If you are interested, read "Sisters in Spirit, " from the Six Nations Museum in Upstate New York.
You might understand where I am actually coming from if you read that & "Saharasia."
Males & Females are biologically different & the sooner we really understand it, the better, imho.
And societies can have value systems based on either competition or cooperation, & this matters also.
Ahh...the "patriarchy" is the problem! I don't buy that at all. All humans share the same nature, they come from the same blood, and are all fallen, sinful beings.
Women aren't as outwardly violent, because they lack the physical strength, and perhaps some of the hormones that drive men. But they find other ways of exercising control: nagging, backbiting, scheming, seducing, telling false tales to get sympathy, taking people to court, etc. In other words, they just shift the task of violence onto the shoulders of others, and try to get that greater power to do what they want.
There is no violence recorded of the patriarchs up until the flood. After the flood, again there is little violence down to Moses, except for one battle Abraham fought to rescue Lot, and right after that, the Lord appeared and told him "Fear not, I am your shield." Evidently, Abraham was fearful because he knew that violence leads to more violence (those who live by the sword perish by the sword), but God assured him that He would be his shield. Abraham never used the sword after that.
Moses tried to use the sword to deliver the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. But it failed, and he fled for 40 years, and learned to tend sheep. After this, he went back to Egypt and delivered them without fighting. Even after the Israelites picked up the swords from the dead Egyptian soldiers on the other side of the Red Sea, Moses never picked it up, and he never fought in their battles, except to pray for them.
There are a few cases of battles being won without fighting, in the Old Testament, notably the victory of Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah; and Elisha's victory over the Syrians. We also have examples of non-violent men attaining great distinction among the heathen: Daniel and Joseph. And finally, we have God's own Son, Jesus, who was "harmless" and taught non-violence.
One of the greatest promoters of non-violent principles in the 1900's was Gandhi--a man! On the other hand, some priests and women in Switzerland beat William Farel rather badly, for not bowing to a statue of the Virgin.
The only reason women don’t follow suit is because they aren’t raised to think the way men are raised to think. It is NOT nature no matter what the church or so called science and psychology propagandize. Women were kept powerless since forever, by bullying threats and brainwashing. The 30 % average decrease upper body strength certainly doesn’t help, but this doesn’t matter now with technology, whether it’s good or bad. As for children, that was ridiculous on your part to even consider them in the equation as they don’t have any maturity, power, or strength.
It is not tribalism and the such. It is What is the truth? Zionism has persecuted Palestinians for 75 years now. We have to speak the truth. Murder is wrong. Propaganda is wrong. Superiority complex is wrong...whoever is leading it. Why are people power hungry? Why are they so ignorant? The Chosen People - so delusional. We are created in the image of God and are all connected under HIm.
Nothing to do with 'chosen people', 'superiority', 'propaganda' - it's just rich-mafia trading games.
Britain 'won' WW1 over Germany with Zionist funding, in promise for a homeland. Britain also 'won' Palestine with help from Arab clearance of the Ottomans, in promise for an Arab homeland. I don't know how they were going to manage both of those things. But they sure didn't manage to subdue the resident Palestinians sufficiently to accept the new Zionist state.
I can't help wondering if the reported genocide of Jews in WW2 Germany was, to some, a blood sacrifice to support and create Israel.
You can completely stop wondering. It was definitely a genocide of not only closer to pure-blood Jews, but also of many of their own Ashkenazim in the process. They have no problem with sacrificing "their own", especially if they stand against Zionist apartheid. There is evidence that Hitler and his top henchmen were Ashkenazim. The Holocaust was not only a means to bring about the creation of "Israehell", but also to get rid of most of the closer to pure-blood Jews, thus sealing the AshkeNAZI overthrow of Judaism. In addition, it was preparation for the neo-holocaust through the scamdemics and the "vaccines" that is taking place today. They've always wanted global genocide, and are now bringing it about.
Changed my mind on 'chosen people' and 'superiority' after reply from a commenter, unless this is what is inculcated in adherents to support the endless war.
I could never really reconcile two elements of the Israel and Palestine War.
1) I thought Israel was the most well defended country on the planet. Capable of defending itself at the first second of any issue. I don't understand why it took many hours for the IDF to jump into action. Why so slow?
2) Egypt is right next door to the Gaza border. No boat needed to go from Gaza to Egypt.....just open the doors and pass through. When the IDF were bombing the sh*t out of Gaza and trying to eliminate Hamas and the tunnels, and the Muslim people were told to walk south to avoid the bombs, they got right down to the border. Medical Supplies and Water, Food, Fuel, and basically safety from the IDF was just on the other side of that metal border fence. Egypt, like Gaza, are both Sunni Muslims. I don't understand why Egypt didn't just say FU to Israel, and open the gates and pull the Gaza refugees to their side. They obeyed the IDF. All other Sunni Muslim countries also obeyed the IDF. Why?
Egypt evicted the MB a century ago, and Hamas is MB; they have no way to separate Hamas from the rest, and refuse to have those troublemakers back so no one got admitted, but non-Muslim foreign nationals they could vet. You notice no-one else was rushing to open their doors to the Gazans either, I trust?
I didn't listen. Just a reminder......Russell Brand is a card carrying member of the Fabian Society.
Keep that in mind. I think I've read in the past that Finkelstein is opposed to the Zionist Chabbad Khazarian Mafia, which I concur with 100%. You may also want to read 2 books by Shlomo Sand an Israeli History Teacher 1) The Invention of the Jewish People and 2) The Invention of the Land of Israel.
The “invention?” No one invented the people or the Holy land. God orchestrated their position and hierarchy in history. His Word will not return void no matter what some idiots believe.
Deer Miss Bee: Probably either the tee-totaling Hindus (Asuras), or Hilkiah, who preferred the Hebrews be acolytes of the powerful, evil woman (Isha-Ra-El) than be of the essence of Elyon. If Finkelstein said "Invention of the Jewish People", he was mistaken. "Jew" means "Hand of the Eternal", literally "His Hand".
It doesn’t matter what peoples’ opinions are of their created little “g” gods. This is subjective thinking. What matters is that there is and can only be one truth. Anything that goes against the truth, including cultural relativism, will Always be conflicting, including misleading translations and alterations in that very belief system. Jesus, Who is the Creator, is the only Way, the only Truth, and therefore He is our life giver. All else is chaos and births confusion.
But Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world." John 18:36. And the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, was never occupied by them, and it included the whole world. Romans 4:13. But they will receive it in the resurrection, in the earth made new. That is the true "land of promise."
The little spot of sin-cursed dust that Abraham's descendants were given was only a type, or picture, of the true land (just as the earthly temple was only a type of the true temple in heaven), and they lost it many times, by disobedience, and by trusting in their weapons and heathen alliances, instead of resting in God's power. The very use of the sword was due to unbelief (they had no weapons on the Egyptian side of the Red Sea), which God bore with, and tried to teach them instead, the way of faith, and non-violence.
All the promises will be fulfilled in Christ only. 2 Cor. 1:20. He is the true Seed promised to Eve and to Abraham. Gal. 3:16. All who are in Christ, and have learned God's way of peace, will inherit those promises.
But all who retain the carnal mind, and trust in carnal strength and carnal weapons, will not receive the promises, but will destroy each other. This shows a lack of understanding God's character, which Jesus reveald, but is still mostly not understood.
Isaiah 11:9 "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea."
Notice the connection between "the knowledge of the Lord" and "not hurting or destroying." Jesus was "holy, harmless, and undefiled." All who are part of His kingdom will be the same.
2 Corinthians 10:4 "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
See? The true warfare is to bring our "thoughts" into the "obedience to Christ," who was "harmless."
I can see a problem here. This entity has a sense of divine connection and is disrespectful and intolerant of all else. That entity will fight to its end, sacrificing its own children in the process.
What kind of "history" is he teaching??? Definitely not the history of the children of Israel, or the land covenanted to them in perpetuity by Yhwh God. There were no "inventions" involved.
Go count the numerous times the word Israel appears in the Torah written thousands of years ago. The word Israel translates “to wrestle with God”. Not some made up BS. You can find a Torah at any synagogue.
Uncommonly good post. Touches on the slightly schizoid nature we all live and hopefully struggle with. It would be somewhat humorous if not for the pain and sorrow it generates.
The book, Empire of the Summer Moon, gives a more detailed look at Cynthia Ann, the Comanche, and McKenzie.
They do because violence is within each one of us. Violence has been our conditioning. Violence has been the conditioning of humans since the very beginning. To go beyond violence, we must see that we are violent.
It is in us, but varying degrees of violence will have come out of each of us at the time of our death. Possible reasons for the different amounts that were exhibited by each person: genetics, disease, mental illness, spiritual illness, homelife, esp. when young, influences, luck, will, free will.
Wrong. The Qur'an commands, (not a request, a demand), for Muslims to kill every Jew, Christian, and infidel. The reason that every single Muslim out there isn't murdering someone every day, is that most of them wouldn't consider killing innocent people, even though in polling, the majority approve of the holocaust and Hamas. There is a genetic code in humans instructing them some morals.
An excellent post but I think you missed the mark. Every reference to Christians and Jews in the Koran is pejorative and several verses say that devout Muslims are to kill Jews where ever they are found. So, I understand your point about tribalism but Muslims have been murdering and subjugating Christians, Jews, and every other religious group, for 1500 years. This is more about religious imperialism, as the great Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis pointed out about Islam, than just tribalism. In 1995 Bethlehem was 95% Christian, now it's less than 5%. This is because of the abuse Muslims have directed at the Christians. They aim to do the same to the Israelis, not only the Jews, but the Christians and Muslims, as well, who are Israeli citizens.
You are correct, on one point: one side will have to destroy the other side.
Danny Huckabee
Yes. Apparently the version of the Quran written in Arabic is much different from the watered-down "politically correct" translations such as the ones into English. The original is very straightforward about the House of Islam being directed to subjugate the entire world: the Infidels have only three choices —convert to Islam, surrender to being treated like a slave class, or being killed. There is NO room in their teachings for peaceful co-existence with anyone, and certainly not the Jews or Christians!
With all due respect, BS.
I'm laughing, that doesn't sound much like "respect" to me! But I get it, many see it the way you do. Good enough, as the irrefutable maxim goes, "a mind is like a parachute, it only works when open."
Take a moment to read the original Hamas Charter, which called for the killing of Jews worldwide. With all due respect, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Same to ya. Not a very convincing argument you put forth.
Not surprising, since you have no point.
I have a few friends from Iran. They tell the story of how their people were conquered and converted from zorastism to Islam at the point of the sword. No options
That's right! From a tiny band of thieves attacking trader's camel trains, and then attacking villages and towns (and murdering, raping, pillaging, and enslaving) to conquering dozens of countries and forcibly converting nearly a quarter of humanity into the tyrrany of Islam, it has ALL BEEN DONE AT THE POINT OF THE SWORD (and NOW at gunpoint!). Mohammed, Islam's "Perfect Man", was nothing less than a lying, thieving, murdering, raping con-artist Pedophile, worse than Hitler and Ghengis Kahn put together— a disgusting MONSTER of a human being! The Muslims themselves are completely deceived!
What do you think the Crusades was?
Nice misdirection, Susan.
Truth is Muslim jihadists - starting in the 7th century - conquered much of the Middle East, much of North Africa, large swaths of Asia, they conquered Chrsitianities 2nd most important seat, Constantinople, , Spain, southern France, and had their sights set on Rome. It was only then that the 1st Crusade began.
This is NOT to excuse what Christians did and have done throughout their history, but there is a big difference. First, though, the similarlity. Bioth religions sanction conversions, which obviously leads to horrors. But Islam sanctifies violence as part of its quest for converts, whereas Christian's holy books do NOT sanction violence.
A response.
And yet, somehow they lived next to Christians on the West Bank for hundreds of years with less loss of life than experienced by both since 1948.
How did the Ottoman Empire come to be? Through bloody conquest.
During which time the Christian population has been steadily decreasing while the Muslim population has been taking over! The Middle East was almost entirely Christian before the Muslim takeover. For instance, Bethlehem was 95% Christian. Today it is barely 5%.
Nonsense. The 'Slimes were murdering Jews in Israel in the early 1800's, decades before Zionism, and through long centuries before that.
Hi Faith, I'm Jewish Israeli. May I ask if the comment you made here (there is no room for peaceful co-existence with these people) is coming from your OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE? Or is it simply things that you heard/read and are blindly repeating without having any ACTUAL experience of living with muslims?
May I ask if you ever lived, for even just a month or two, with a local family in Palestine? Have you ever lived with the ACTUAL REAL people whom you are taught to so deeply hate and whose murder you cheer for and whose genocide you are celebrating (becasue we all know, don't we, that the conclusion we are meant to draw from this intense demonization and hatred of muslims - demonization which is heavily funded by Israel, by the way, i might go into that later - the conclusion we are meant to draw is that the zionist ruling class is justified in dispossesing, destroying and murdering "these evil people".
Perhaps because you have never lived with them but are taught to see only a flat image of 'evil people' that God-forgetting sectarian/tribalist propaganda taught you to see and hate...
Is it possible thst it is actually this anti-God sectarian ideology that we are taught which is ACTUALLY what leaves "no room for peaceful co-existence"? Is it possible yhat it is actually THIS ideology which is yhe intolerant and hateful one (while telling you 'they are tye evil ones')?
I am asking all this because I actually do have the experience of living for nine months with an indigenous palestinian family (the exact people you're taught to so deeply hate and whose genocidd you're taught to cheer on), and my own personal experience is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what you described here. I exprienced profound kindness, care and acceptance (not coercion, but acceptance). And do you, Faith, from whom i actually did experience incredible cruelty and hatred and intolerance and violence? From the very 0eople you're taught to admire and cheer for. From prodoundly brainwashed, arrogant, supremacist, heart-corrupted, indoctrinated and God-forgetting cruel zionist bullies who invented for themselves a fake sectarian tribaloat/nationalist "god", who suppoaedly chose them and supposedly gave them (or so they believe) the "divine right" to arrive from a different continent and murder, abuse, diaposses, torture, humiliate, steal, throw-out, beat to a pulp, kidnap, rape, brutalize, dehumanize and traumatize the local people in the land they covet as their own.
In MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (as an israeli who lived here my entire life, and as someone who lived for months with an indigenous palestinian family and experienced first hand, saw with my own eyes, the inspeakable CRUELTY, INHUMANITY, HATRED, HUMILIATION AND BRUTALITY that the mass-murdering supremacist Godless zionist terrorists inflict on the local people) in my personal experience, these savage zionist murderers are ACTUALLY the people who have "no room for peaceful co-existence", are ACTUALLY the ones who's heart has been profoindly corrupted by a sectarian tribalist/nationalist God-denying ideology of supremacy, these are ACTUALLY the ones who compltely forgot and reject God (but instead invented for themselves a fake sectarian nationalist "god", who supposedly makes them superior and more vsluable then others and who supposedly gives them the "divine right" to commit all the nazi atrocities mentioned above.
This has been my own first hand personal experience, and to me it seems that the hate-filled statements you made above are not rooted in actual reality but are based on learnt ideas (propaganda), on belief, on ideology, ideology that colours for how we view others, the image we have of others (wiyhoit even knowing them), ideology that seeks to justify and celebrate the dispossesion, dehimanization, erasure genocide of people you likely never met (but are taught to believe that they are "evil").
By the way, I highly recommend this short & insightful interview with a wise Israeli historian to learn the facts (since there seems to be a profound level of historical ignorance and indoctrination among some commenters here) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzWDWBn55g
There is a lot material from this historian on youtube, if interested to learn more about reality
I also highly recommend this profound testimony from an Israeli soldier (who is also my friend, Eran Efrati) on what the zionist forces ACTUALLY do to the local people https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU&feature=youtu.be
There is one more very important thing I wanted to say but space here is finished, so please see the second part in another comment in a few minutes
I imagine that there were quite a few with the same opinions as you, living close to the Gaza border, employing Palestinians daily, attempting to live together in peace, and then waking up on October 7 to a different reality.
You are making A WHOLE LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS about me!
You sound a lot like the two young women a few years ago who wanted to demonstrate how wonderful the Muslim culture was, and how they had been so unfairly demonized, so the girls took a trip biking through Morocco. What happened? They got raped and BEHEADED!
Of course generalities do not apply to all individuals of a group. By no means are all Muslims fanatic. Many are relatively secular. But you cannot deny that orthodox Muslims who actually follow their religion have some pretty intolerant ideas about infidels. Do not let your experience of some good people color your attitude of the religion as a whole. And, likewise, many Jews have a very intolerant attitude, believing they are "God's Chosen People". And with their very violent, intolerant written "history" (actually mostly mythology) about slaughtering the inhabitants of Caanan, etc., their "Promised Land".
Religions are ALL basically made up! They are ALL myths and stories, not reality! They purport to explain the spiritual, but they do not. That is why they are ALL DIFFERENT! Not one of them is "truth". And they form the excuse for endless strife and violence. The three religions "Of The Book" all come from the Jewish "scriptures"— all accepting the same violent origin stories. All teaching "specialness" and exclusivity. Islam learned much from Judaism because Mohammed was tutored by a Jewess who read to him from the Torah, at least. That's where he got the idea to claim he was getting messages from the Angel Gabriel in order to con his fellow thieves into following him and embarking on a murderous campaign of plunder and conquest. It is ALL B.S.!!!!!
Thank you. Yes, you are right, I did get the wrong impression from your initial comment, which seemed to me to be highly sectarian/tribalistic and one-sided, and as if taken straight out of the hasbara (israeli propaganda ministry) playbook, withe handreds of millions they invest to demonize muslims in the eyes of gullible and uninformed westerners in order to justify their century-long supremacist project of dispossesion, throwing-our, taking over, and erasing of the local people in palestine. Your comment sounded word for word like the propaganda they push. And even though you claom yhat is not what you meant, that is actually how all other commentors understood it, judging by their reply to you, which subscribe to the zionist propaganda project to dehumanize and demonize the local people of palestine and justify their dispossesion and genocide. You never once corrected these other commentors as to what you claim to me tyat you meant, but instead have actually doubled down and reinforced their God-forgetting zionist hate ideology.
Regarding the content - yes, that is precisely why I suggested what I suggested in the second part of my reply (did you read that part? Starts with "this is part 2.."), to find a way to move beyond these divisive sectarian/tribalistic identities (or at least see clearly the disastrous consequences of identifying who i am with them) which seem to be at the root of the division and violence (explained in more depth in that part 2)
More long winded nonsense.
Ireland, a small island, has been forced to accept one million pretend Refugees.
But all of Arabia couldn't find room for 700K Genocidal Maniacs who preferred to stick with driving Israel into the sea instead of accepting citizenship graciously offered by the victors in a war the Pals started.
You make no valid point.
There is a reason why no Arab country wants to accept Palestinians, and that even Egypt blockaded Gaza from the South. What’s even more amusing is that much of the unrest and funding for Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah does not come from Arab states, but comes from Iran. Persian.
Can you paste it into a reply to THIS comment?
Ok, pasting it here as you requested:
"If I may share my perspective, in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews, I'm fully aware that the trauma that supremacist zionist immigrants caused the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project to disposses, throw out, annihilate, dehumanize, massacre and erase of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around (the trauma caused to the zionist immigrants by the resistence of the local people to being dispossesed, massacred, abused and driven out of their home). Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% true to reality based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military.
And PLEASE also don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that details the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billionaire-owned media never tells you.. PLEASE do watch this.
(Plus the two links in the comment above)
This capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both "sides".
As someone who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' and 'Israeli' (but have already long ago seen through their inaccurate, distorting, corrupting, divisive, sectarian and God-denying nature) I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide and tribalistically pit against each other those who for centuries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the murder, abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, massacre and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
https://oneworldrenaissance.com/2021/01/23/holism-fragmentation-and-our-endangered-future-a-new-vision-and-a-new-hope/
No, unfortunately, I didn't see part 2. I'm just working off what comes into my email inbox from Comments, and going back to locate that part of the thread can be an exercise in frustration with over 300 comments already! Maybe I just haven't figured out if there is a way to do it without combing through so many.
Just as an aside, and the misinterpretation of ‘God’s chosen people’ that terms comes from the idea that God chose the Jews to be the first people to be introduced to Him. It doesn’t mean that they are ‘chosen’ to be superior, rulers or anything else.
Sad you believe this nonsense.
Everything is playing out exactly as Prophesied,but most are so full of ignorant fantasies about the Bible that they don't even know Armegeddon is God's vengeance on the Jew Haters.
God is real and there is only One.
Hello again Faith, this is part 2 of my reply (please see first part below)
If I may share my perspective, in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews, I'm fully aware that the trauma that supremacist zionists immigrants caused the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project to disposses, throw out, annihilate, dehumanize, massacre and erase of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around (the trauma caused to the zionist immigrants by the resistence of the local people to being dispossesed, massacred, abused and driven out of their home). Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% true to reality based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military.
And PLEASE also don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that details the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billionaire-owned media never tells you.. please don't turn away, PLEASE watch this
Now,, this capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both "sides".
As someone who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' and 'Israeli' (but have already long ago seen through their inaccurate, distorting, corrupting, divisive, sectarian and God-denying nature) I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide and tribalistically pit against each other those who for centuries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the murder, abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, massacre and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
Bla, bla, bla...try cracking open a Tanakh.
All is strictly in accordance with Scripture, and long winded as you are, your arms are too short to box with God.
In simplistic non-winded non-ALL CAPS terms, you are a self-hating Jew, if you really are one, that is. The self-hating White phenomena is “a thing” in the US, so why not you as well. I’m not asking a question, I’m stating a fact. Your (as well as Faith’s, in the above banter) comments are so Biblically and God-knowingly ignorant, it is abysmal. You people have No knowledge of God’s divine appointments and decrees (any real Torah studying Jew knows these as irreversible covenants btw) made Specifically and Solely to the Jews and Their land, Israel. No one else! Too bad what the butt-hurt Arabs think. “Palestinian” is a century old made up term for these Arab pawns. They are just agenda-driven pawns. Your Zionist terminology is misplaced and inaccurate. Sounds like something right out of the playbook from that Qanon Cult. What you should be focusing on are the globalists and their evil agendas for the earth, which is a sphere. Flat earthers gonna hate here.
Unfortunately this is the second hit piece on Israelis in this Substack which is unfortunate given outstanding journalism by John across other topics.
Drudging up leftists born Jews like Finkelstein and Bernie Sanders for that matter is meaningless. Citing the UN of which less than half its members are free democratic nations, and only 17 out of 43 on its Security Council is meaningless.
The Palestinians have been offered statehood 5 times since 1948 and have turned down statehood 5 times. Isn’t it clear by now that the Palestinian movement exists ONLY to extinguish Israel, Israelis and the Jews and NOT to form a thriving Palestinian state? Attack Israel and it will fight like her life depends on it because it does.
Arab Muslim Speaks About Her Life in Israel - OMG! 11/20/23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MfnpuafBg - read the comments, too!
'Son of Hamas' in interview: Terrorists brought wrath of God with October 7 attack:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/son-of-hamas-in-interview-terrorists-brought-wrath-of-god-with-october-7-attack/ (12:12 video + article) Powerful condemnation of Hamas by son of Hamas founder!
Hamas leader's son who became a spy explains what Hamas really wants
https://youtu.be/jwvsrybklf8?si=rwj8tCtTXx21kzJd (8:38)
Mosab Hassan Yousef is one of the bravest men on Earth.
This was a GREAT interview(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_MfnpuafBg) you placed Debbi! John Leake could have easily made THIS the main subject or a big part of this newsletter. What a powerful interview from this amazing pair of Muslim and Jewish women. I learned so much I never knew about Israel; best example is that many enlistees in the IDF(Israeli Defense Forces) are actually Muslim. This young woman was SO powerful, so poised, such a great representative of humanity.
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You are a troll if you simply say that. It’s accurate links. Accurate information.
The book, 'Stealth Invasion' by Leo Hohmann; a book banned by Amazon immediately following it's release in 2021 has an Interview with a Catholic Nun living in Syria as a Christian since birth until her calling into Holy Orders. She spoke in depth about being a minority surrounded by Islam and how people were treated and taxed exorbitantly. She reported the Qu'ran and various Hadith based upon the life of Mohammed demands every average Muslim to gruesomely murder all non-Muslims 33,000 times in total. Though there has been a background with instruction into Islam; have never taken the time to count the commands as this Nun did.
Furthermore, Jihad is one of 10 Practices of Islam; although it is not one of the five Pillars. Various sects allot less importance to it than other sects...It's not universally valued or practiced. Jihad is not merely about violence; it is about WORLD COUP/MUSLIM CALIPHATE universalized. One form of Jihad is, "RESETTLEMENT/IMMIGRATION INTO FOREIGN LANDS TO INFEST NATIVE POPULATIONS AND BREED THE INFIDELS OUT TO BE REPLACED WITH ISLAM." (Not difficult to imagine the reason Amazon banned the book, is it?)
This is factual and this information was common knowledge and spoken of freely only a few decades ago...A few years ago before this heinous censorship of truth by enemies of the Constitution were fraudulently installed into the Oval Office and as majority in the Senate as in 2020.
I have many questions about the Interview with Russell Brand since Finkelstein never told the whole story surrounding the situation. He addresses the fact of his opinion to be based upon the letters or statements recorded of Israeli Soldiers and only a few indicate any remorse. Just because they didn't express remorse directly following the incidents doesn't mean they didn't feel it after all was cool and calm.
He neglects to point out he obvious fact based in his own information that a country like Gaza of such population density would necessitate ALL INNOCENT CIVILIANS to be used as 'shields' simply because there is no area or region NOT being used by civilians. Given that fact, they deliberately place innocent civilians in harm's way when they attack Israel.
They attack Israel every single time the U.S. ALLOWS LIQUID CAPITAL INTO IRAN...A pattern of behavior fed by the OBastards throughout all three Administrations of the last 16 yrs.
He defines Gaza an 'Open Prison' or a 'Concentration Camp' and that may well be fact; however, it is not difficult to recall a time the Muslims were blowing-up cafe's and Public Events, parties and Receptions in terrorist attacks multiple times every single day...So, what does he expect 'The People' to do when a people opt for murder at every turn?
Finally, as a scholar he fully knows the actual history of the west; the actual group behind all the Wars for Profit and Totalitarian World Coup...The City of London funding all sides of every war in the world for their own gain. It isn't difficult to imagine it to be time TO CONFRONT THE REAL ENEMY OF ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET SEEKING TO OWN ALL AND EVERYTHING WHILE DEPOPULATING AND ENSLAVING WHATEVER SURVIVES. NEVER HAS THE GROUP BEEN ACCOUNTABLE OR PUNISHED...AND, IT'S HIGH TIME.
I’m curious. How did the Trump administration “allow liquid capital into Iran?” It seems to me that quite the opposite happened.
Exactly WHAT was wrote to claim I SAID anything about Trump allowing capital to flow into Iran? HE DID NOT...HE REMOVED IT. The Obastards placed capital and assets into Iran and a conflagration resulted.
Perhaps, you can refresh my memory as Trump utterly removed all access to liquid capital from Iran as one of his first acts in office. After a few years, the fires were put-out and all calmed while the Iranian people sufferred under extreme inflation. This was as true in the News as reinforced via Peter Santenello on his channel in YouTube when he used his Italian Visa to enter into Iran to ascertain the actual lifestyles of the people with the embargo and lack of access to Banking.
Food was excessively costly even beyond what the OBastards have done to food in the U.S. in their Grand Scheme with The Black Nobility to STARVE THE PLANET or humiliate those The Black Nobility continue to view their OWNED HUMAN CATTLE HERD with forcing a diet of insects, worms and their Pseudo Cancerous Tumor Meat fed with Infant Cells from those Murdered in the Womb we camouflage by calling it an innocuous and benign word like 'abortion' which was in actuality a medically defined process of the human body for expelling an already dead fetus WHICH HUMANS DIDN'T MURDER; but was in fact an act of God.
TREASONOUS OBASTARDS allowed multiple billions into Iran just as the Treasonous Dementia-Ridden, Pedo Avatar for OBASTARD has done and the whole Middle East has again erupted and expoded as it did when ISIS formed and they refused to deal with it.
You don't recall all the televised beheadings...All which ended when Trump enterred office and ended the flow of capital? After a few years, the Iranians phoned to beg for negotiations and he refused to speak.
Been watching Corporate Media owned by the Military-Industrial Complex or perhaps, you're a paid PROPAGANDA/LIE infester to poison society and divide it...
Are you yet another paid 'Mind Screw' of the intellectually weak and stupid trapped in 'Wishful Thinking' attacking truth, facts and sanity in Substack as so many others?
Pretty sure Trump does not start with an O.
"Only a few"?? See Breaking the Silence.
Are you responding to me?
This is a bizarre thread.
Ramallah was 95% Christian also. The Christians who had resources elsewhere in the world left because of the zionists murdering men, women and children during the Deir Yassin massacre and in other towns, putting the carved up bodies on open bed trucks, then driving through towns like Ramallah with a bullhorn, proclaiming that this would be done to you if you don't leave. My father's father put him on a plane to the U.S., as his scholarship to Oxford was no longer existent after the 1948 invasion. Muslims had nothing to do with this and my Christian family had lived in Ramallah since 1300. In fact, when zionists didn't occupy all the homes left by those who could in 1948, mostly uneducated and rural Muslims moved into those homes, resulting in Ramallah becoming majority Muslim. The "abuse" by Muslims of the Christians that I'm aware of included Muslim children throwing candy wrappers into my aunt's yard, but then picking them up when she'd yell at them. Not great neighbors, but not taking her home. She was not afraid of them, but was terrified of the IDF rolling into Ramallah, ruining every road with tanks, shooting indiscriminately (killing her friend who was doing dishes in front of a window), taking young boys and disappearing with the kids, re-routing water lines to water American looking yards with grass resulting in destruction of olive orchards.
Devout Muslims are to kill Jews just as devout Christians are to eat Muslims during the occupation of Jeruzalem during the crusades......
WHAT? 🤢🤮🤮🤮
Sorry, cannibalism is utterly out of line for
EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN I KNOW.
Are you joking...Where did you ever hear this?
It’s painfully true, just take a deep dive in a study of the crusades, it’s even worse monks, priests preaching whole cities, villages to recruit them to go to Jerusalem to fight Muslims, all women, children, elderly without organisation leaving everything behind and moving. Nobody arrived all died, children sold, women raped or condemned to slavery, elderly died of exhaustion, not to talk of massacres by thugs, gangs
You said Christians ate people...And, I know that is NOT correct. To my knowledge; Christians, Muslims and Jews DO NOT EAT HUMAN BEINGS...But, the brutal 'Earth Mother Pagans' worshiping demon-gods as Ba'al, Molech, Baphomet did AND CONTINUE TO DO SO...They are the one's throwing babies and children into roaring fires and drums with huge cymbals played to cover the screaming. They are the one's torturing and murdering young babies and children; raping them...For an Adrenochrome fix.
As for 'The Crusades', I know much of what you say is correct and you're not going back far enough as the Muslims took the land and people at the point of a sword to begin with following the fall of Rome and Mohammed's grand vison in the dessert leading to the massacre of Medina. You're not stating another fact about the Muslims attacking pilgrims to the Holy Land from Christian Europe which is the reason 'The Crusades' began to start with.
While I have not dived into that Rabbit Hole myself; I know others who have and you're missing details told to me. I have no references; thus I will not speak any more than I have. Don't personally write anything in here or anywhere without a reference.
Canabalism continues today in the form of injecting people with vaccines and other products that were manufactured, tested or developed using cell cultures derived from the harvesting of organs of healthy babies during their abortion. Use of these products, to me, is worshipping of Molech, sacrificing children to save oneself.
Wow...Has anybody told you of being naive?
Actual cannabalism IS PRACTICED TODAY by the Satanic/Luciferains; Ritual Torture and Rape of babies, children, young people...As they like the young and innocent most of all. Evil always best feeds upon the innocent.
They are not merely harvesting organs...They are literally using syringes to remove the 10 cc's of Adrenochrome produced from the Spinal Column before eating the human flesh.
They do NOT sacrifice to any of their Demon-Gods to save themselves...They do it for POWER, KNOWLEDGE OF EVIL. Are you aware knowledge of metalworking actually came from hell to Tubal-Cain...Cain's son? While killing is sometimes necessary for self-defence...Eating human beings is an act generally practiced by the Demons Wearing Human Being Suits even to the present day.
THE GOOD NEWS IS...THEY ARE NOW MOSTLY EXPOSED AND AMONG THE NUMBERS INTO THIS ABOMINATION AND HORROR ARE THE Bush/Clinton/Obastard Crime Families...Soros, Gates, Kissinger, Scwab and other Billionaires and others of The Black Nobility now being reported as Pedophiles.
References? Do you need any for committing violence? And yes Christian Crusaders ate Muslims, no doubt in my mind!
Just because someone claims to be a Christian doesn't make them one. If someone kills and eats their fellow man, then no matter who they claim to be, they are not a Christian.
You're some kind of troll; or what?
NEVER DID CHRISTIANS EAT PEOPLE. You are sadly mistaken...As that kind of profane abomination is pretty much exclusive to Satan/Luciferian Worshipers mostly refered to belong to various brutal 'Earth Mother Death Cults' throughout the whole Earth in primitive cultures.
Your propaganda and lies are getting you nowhere.
The Crusades were a horror show. They went on for centuries. So there’s been some pretty serious hatred resulting from various interpretations of Christian doctrine as well. Hatred is the precursor to violence. Intolerance is a precursor to hatred. To stop violence we need to stop the intolerance and hatred.
What is your source for this preposterous claim?
Even if it were true (and it's not), you have to go back hundreds of years to even attempt to make any sort of moral equivalency. Meanwhile, we are talking about acts of outrageous barbarism and shocking cruelty committed by the so-called "Palestinians" THREE MONTHS AGO.
Agree, but who opened the gates of hell? Bibi and no-one else, it was all planned 6 months earlier or…….can the New York Times spreading misinformation?
Are you really claiming that Netanyahu is actually the one leading Hamas?
That’s not true regarding Christians (crusaders were Catholic not Christians) It’s no where in scripture to ‘eat’ anyone. If a delusional person takes action against the Bible that’s not biblical. The Quran says to kill - now, consistently.
There’s a whole army of fact checkers alarmed and on the rescue to save the one true religion Christianity according to them completely different from Catholics….beeeehhhh but what’s the difference in the end both wanted to free Jerusalem from those, we now call them Terrorists, Barbarians that sacrilege the Holy Land and one true God. Just for the record how many Jews (originally Hebrews) fought with those barbarians against the Christian/Catholic occupier……you should raise your eyebrows!
Why wouldn't they?
Church and God are diametrically opposed.
Replacement Theory is evil, and Jews are right to fight it and Paul's lies.
Forever wars because of a God or opposing Gods? Which one has the truth?
The One with prophesy being fulfilled daily.
Your ignorance does not change it.
Nothing does, and you ain't seen nothing yet.
Egypt will be a wasteland, Jordan a desolate wilderness.
God will take vengeance on His enemies, and make atonement for His people and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it
Hi the difference ‘in the end’ of biblical Christianity and Roman Catholic beliefs is heaven and hell.
Just as your mom is fated to ever wonder who your daddy might be.
She never never wondered who her son is, forget about the father….characteristic for these times, fleeing fathers, cowards just like their gods fleeing mothers
If I may share my perspective as someome who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' & 'Israeli', in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews (and christian zionists), I'm fully aware that the trauma that supremacist zionist immigrants inflicted on the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project to disposses, massacare, annihilate, dehumanize, throw-out and erase of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around. Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% factual based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military. And after that docu PLEASE don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that tells you the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billi9naire's media never mention.. please don't turn away, PLEASE watch this
This capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both sides.
As someone who was given at birth the label 'Jewish' and 'Israeli' (but have already long ago seen through their inaccurate, distorting, corrupting, limiting, imprisoning, divisive, sectarian and God-denying nature, and so have shed these labels) I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen (not only today but for more than a century now) is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide the non-wealthy, to tribalistically pit against each other those who for centruries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, murder and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
https://oneworldrenaissance.com/2021/01/23/holism-fragmentation-and-our-endangered-future-a-new-vision-and-a-new-hope/
Sadly, this ‘kumbaya’ attitude of a perfect world has no bearing in reality.
You are correct; however, you seem to be overlooking that Judaism holds the belief that all non-Jews are animals. Additionally, it posits that eventually, the goyim will become their slaves willingly.
Another distinction is that Islam does not exert control over NGO groups, imposing weaponized immigration on our countries. Strikingly, every NGO is led by dual Israeli citizens.
To provide a broader perspective, consider watching Europa, as it stands as the most accurate and highly detailed presentation of this history ever assembled.
It may be more to the point to get your information about Judaism from sources other than the internet. Judaism does not hold the believe that non Jews are animals.
You were saying
https://x.com/kafkasyali1_/status/1746104646081360295?s=46&t=zqWNYNLiZiB92R8DfH7aGg
The opinion of one rabbi now extends to an entire group of people? Seriously? Should I quote Hitler to you, to indicate some kind of reality? And the quotation about animals is from October 10. I suspect that if someone came into your home, raped and mutated your wife, raped and butchered your children, you might think of them as an animal. Get real.
YES the opinion of one of those esteemed religious leaders who is quoting the Talmud is relevant!
Sorry you wish they didn’t think this way!
An esteemed religious leader? Seriously? How many ‘followers’ do he have?
Assuming that message was in response to my comment, the evidence, for my statements are ubiquitous.
It literally says this in the Talmud, and there are more than a dozen videos of rabbis repeating this in interviews. Nothing I have stated is an opinion.
I would venture to say that 90% of Jews have never read a Talmud, much less seen one. The Talmud is basically an interpretation of the Torah, from a small group of rabbis, from centuries ago. Extremely Orthodox Jews study and discuss it. Perhaps what’s more apt is the original Hamas Charter, written only 35 years ago. A bit more current and well known
And yet every NGO group that floods our country with incompatible immigration is always controlled by dual Israeli citizens. Both Hamas and Zionists have no place in our country but unfortunately, one of those two groups controls the majority of our government, banks, MSM, search engines, immigration, judiciary, Big Pharma and until we remove their influence no amount of activism or elections will ever make a dent in our collective turmoil.
There is no official indication anywhere of ‘dual citizens’ in the US government, NGO’s etc. ALL that information comes from internet ‘sources’, that apparently assume that if you are Jewish, you can immediately become an Israeli citizen. Take a moment and look up what the requirements are, even if you’re Jewish. Israel must be your permanent residence for 5 years. So how many of your dual citizens have lived in Israel??
How many Muslim friends do you have, Danny?
You're at the wrong site. Take it up with Kevin Barrett.
This learned behavior and just as bad as a human DNA encoded message.( ill-will/hatred)
Thousands of years old. We too in the USA, grow up from birth being told who to dislike.
We are confused bunch of hypnotized fools roaming Gods planet Earth in this Universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred
This is a deflection.
Well. I’m taking sides. Stop the genocide NOW.
By whom? The IDF or Hamas?
The only people who can stop the genocide are the ones with all the military force, money, power and support of billionaire elites.
Hamas could surrender.
Even if Hamas surrenders, the Palestinians raised in Gaza have known nothing but oppression, apartheid, confinement and disproportionate force used against them and their families. The children have witnessed the slaughter of their people and this is all they have known. It would take extraordinary benevolence and forbearance exceptional forgiveness to for them not to adopt an attitude of hatred and revenge.
I'm not saying it can't be done. But I sure couldn't overcome that generational past and find a way to live with the likes of Netanyahu and what he represents.
BY HAMAS! An oppression they chose!
Hi Sandra
It sounds like this is a subject you are pretty heated about and that is understandable. From whatever angle I try to look at it it is a horrendous situation. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t be affected. I can see that.
Maybe we don’t see this the same way, but I have seen some of your other comments that align exactly with my views.
I have felt stranded by folks who once I saw as allies and have found common ground where I would never have thought to look.
I am glad to be alive and to be open to new experiences and learning with every sunrise.
May God bless you and bring you some peace.
You don't choose oppression. It is forced upon you.
If you research the Hamas origins, you might change your mind. Modern Israel was created by European colonialist to gaurantee future conflict, and MIC profits. War is good business for the "elites". They NEED Hamas. Thats why they created it....
Might the re-establishment of Israel have something to do with the holocaust...the slaughter of over six million Jews?
Israel could negotiate in good faith - but show zero inclination for anything other rhan mass murder and genocide.
Sure they could. But they have to believe it when Hamas calls for complete destruction of Israel.
More of the nonsense that Israel spouts because what they are experiencing is an 'opportunity' to ethnically cleanse and grab the land. Blame the other, never even consider negotiation in good faith. It's all about the business opportunities.
But none of that will change the mindsets of those who are raised from toddler-hood to hate "the others".
Who are we referring to here? From all accounts I hear, it seems to best fit the way the Israelis refer to Palestinians - 'human animals'.
Perhaps they refer to the people who effected October 7 as ‘human animals’. I would suspect that even you might consider the behavior on that day as barbaric.
You don’t quite get it yet. The longstanding enmity between the two sides is merely an excuse for waging war to feed the military industrial complex. The MIC needs constant war to thrive. If we ever achieved peace, the MIC would fabricate a war out of whole cloth...as it just did in Ukraine. The MIC needs “perma-enemies”. Just as we’ll be hearing about Covid-19 variants for the next decade. This is the not-so-new normal. Endless crises, pandemics and war. Until “We the People” put a stop to it.
The longstanding enmity goes way back...to Isaac and Ishmael.
I believe it actually goes back to when Mohammed went to the Jewish leaders of his day, and asked them to accept him as a prophet. They refused, and from that point on, Mohammad viewed Jews as the enemy.
That is certainly a part of their history.
oh I get that very well. Recognising that we are involved in an elite top down horror show is a first step in confronting the reality of what is happening. Though how to deal with this is the challenge.
Tyrants have never been voted out of power. Neither will the current batch of tyrants be.
It goes back well before anyone even thought about a military industrial complex. It’s a religious war that began 1500 years ago.
That would be both sides, although I suspect you won't see that reality...
Israel has shown no mood for negotiation or relenting and they actually do have all the military force, power and money. They can and are kill Palestinians in huge numbers, starve them to death, deprive them of every necessity to sustain life and prevent horrific pain and death. The Palestinians have nothing.
Israel has been hit, and pushed too far,1 time too many; they are fed up with the ambush attacks against their civilians, so no, this time they will not stop until Hamas is no longer a threat. However, you are quite wrong about who is killing the most "Palestinians"! It is not Israelis, but Hamas! THEY withhold the food, giving it only to themselves; they shoot " Palestinian" civilians who try to flee to safety, away from the areas IDF has alerted them are to be bombed, shelled, or otherwise attacked. "Palestinians" have nothing because that is what they have chosen, and would again choose, given the option.
You seem to have been feeding from the trough of propaganda served daily by the extreme right wing Israeli government desperate to paint the Palestinians as evil in order to enforce their inhumane genocidal agenda.
There is no actual evidence for what you are saying, but a great deal of evidence is acknowledged not only by global organisations such as the UN, Amnesty International, Medecin sans Frontieres, plus Israeli and Jewish scholars and journalists such as Norman Finkelstein, Ilan Pape, Gideon Levy, Max Blumenthal et al - that the Israelis have enforced a tyrannical blockade on Gaza for many years. Moreover, even mainstream media has conceded that it is the Israelis killing fleeing Palestinians and not their own people.
If you are going to make such comments as you do, please supply documented proof or give references. Otherwise they are unfounded and highly racist claims, designed only to defend perpetrators of evil.
The Palistinians have nothing because their leaders and other leaders in the Arab world want them as martyrs. Read about Clinton and the Camp David summits between Israel and the Palistinians. Clinton was exasperated by Yasser Arafat who said no to every single proposal put forward and refused to negotiate. Gaza is a ghetto that has been created and maintained intentionally, as all ghettos are.
Wrong. Recall that there was a ceasefire prior to the evil atrocities of Hamas, cheered by over 80% of Palestinian people (who voted Hamas in and treat their children to hate and kill Jews). Stop the ignorance NOW.
That ceasefire was an intensely cruel blockade on Gaza, creating living conditions likened by many, especially those who visited from other countries, to a 'concentration camp'
I see that so many others have accurately responded to your non-historical and jaded account of information so I will try not to repeat anything as they did an excellent job showing that you were inaccurate.
Please read history- even recent history, when Israel completely removed itself from Gaza, and left a beautiful coastline with infrastructure, and what did the Arabs in so-called Palestine do? Voted in a terrorist regime a.k.a. Hamas, and then completely destroyed their ability to be independent within inherently demonic view to crush Israel and remove Israel completely from the land. Why didn’t any other Arab land take them in? Why did the other Arabs decimate the Hews in their own lands? It is unfortunate that you do not understand spiritually, what is going on, nor even objective information historically, what is going on, and if you only look rationally to see who has initiated the violence, including recently in Washington DC as the “mostly peaceful protesters“ just like Soros backed antifa, with the pro alleged Palestinian, only look at violence and hatred. It is so transparent it is only if you’re willfully, blind and willfully ignorant as scripture says that you will not see this - primary issue is whether or not you truly know God’s Son Jesus Christ and whether you are saved that’s the bottom line question. I pray the He gives you repentance and faith to take the scales off your eyes. His history will prevail and it will get worse for Israel as they have hardened their hearts to Him. And even a secular view would reveal to an objective person that the Arabs are the aggressors aka Hamas and Palestinians. But if you intentionally choose to not see reality you won’t. I pray that God will allow your heart to see clearly. 🙏
I see I am in with the revisionists, so enjoy your beautiful lies on the dead bodies and immense suffering of so many innocent people. I think you are going to find Israelis will be the most reviled and unwelcome people on earth following the misery they are blatantly and before our eyes inflicting on others.
And please, save your prayers for yourself, that you learn to overcome your blinkered heavily propagandised version of reality, throw of your outrageous racism and discover a small nugget of genuine love in your heart just as any decent person has that might reach out to help and embrace others rather than be on a rampage to destroy them.
I am over and out with thread. Read enough nonsense to last a lifetime. If you and your ilk can't see mass murder for what it is there is no helping you.
https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2023/12/10/it-is-downright-scandalous-to-accuse-israel-of-genocide-n2632219?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=b9fcff148b98618d1add06a159bf45b0bf604d66644b557252122622aa6b3bc6&recip=25713777
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/01/genocide-the-population-of-gaza-tripled-under-israeli-occupation
Very dangerous. Someone might not get hurt.
“we, as a species, can never seem to overcome our tribal, warlike nature. We seem to be stuck with it.” And if you open your eyes you will see that there are powerful entities that profit from fanning the flames of our tribalism. It is they that are the enemy of us both.
You say, "You won't catch me taking sides in this tribal war." That seems to me like taking the easy way out. Just like most fortunate, well to do people you're living in a cocoon of ease. It doesn't do to get emotionally involved in the suffering of others. "I got mine," you say, and look aside. I think that's grotesque. Sure, the human tribal impulse has been endlessly destructive but each situation is different. What's going on in Gaza shows tens of thousands of innocent people including many children blown to bits by 2000 lb bombs and military hardware furnished by your own US government. 80% of the population who survived have no home and are near starvation. 80% of their homes, their gardens and workplaces, have been destroyed. This is genocide and American collusion in it is a war crime. Biden should be in jail for the tons of money he keeps handing over to a Zionist killing machine driven insane with revenge. For you to nimbly step aside from lifting your voice and saying NO MORE MASSACRE OF THE INNOCENTS is beyond distasteful. Oh, and let's address the elephant in the room here. You (like I) are a big supporter of RFK Jr's policies regarding Big Pharma. He's been a treasure for us in that regard. But he's revealed another side of himself with his unbending support of the fake Zionist ideology of being defenders of "the chosen people" and the criminal insistence that being anti-Zionist equals being anti-Semitic. Bobby has lost it. And it's distasteful that virtually all the big Substack health freedom writers have scrupulously avoided mention of Gaza, like they can't risk offending their hero? Well, count me out
Dear Michael Brownstein, I have never been to Gaza or Israel and the only thing I know about this latest conflict consists of electronic representations and passionate assertions from people who strongly identify with one side or the other. Norman Finkelstein has apparently spent a great deal of timing visiting this region and studying this conflict, so I shared his interview with our readers. Best regards, John Leake
Thanks for responding, John. But endless videos and images taken by reporters and drones and satellites represent a broad array of media views that cannot be dismissed as simply "electronic representations." Many risked and some lost their lives in the process. Videos of people desperately and hopelessly pulling away at collapsed buildings to try and save those buried as well as many images and interviews from the horror story going on inside the bombed hospitals in Gaza, mothers lining up outside with dying children in their arms, children operated on without anesthesia. While out in utterly unsafe streets people are fighting each other for scraps of food, for water. This is real. There IS a side to be taken in this racist attempt to obliterate an entire people, and save for the dupes the absurd statement that Palestinians are "just Arabs" because it's not their "race" but their distinct culture which proves they exist. It's unbelievable to me that someone like RFK Jr with his history of understanding how propaganda is generated and for whose benefit refuses to accept what's going on in Gaza. I doubt Bobby can be forgetting this is the same Zionist government which made a secret deal with Pfizer giving them complete immunity while allowing them to inoculate the Israeli population with an unproven fake vaccine including with penalties for those who refused? Instead he regurgitates absurd ethnic cleansing propaganda like calling the Palestinian people pampered. Am I saying Palestinians are better than any other people? No. But Bobby in my estimation by taking such a rigid stance must be looking for the "Jewish vote" in the US and the big money coming from the Israel First cabal here. And I say this as a Jew. Whereas those Jewish kids in the streets wearing t-shirts demanding ceasefire now are to be celebrated. They are the future, young people trying their best to find trust in a demonized enemy. This holds true for both sides of the monotheistic fanaticism which has caused endless bloodshed for centuries and which now, with the weapons at hand, could bring to a close our muddled human experiment.
But what does it say about you that you would choose one of the most insidious self-hating Jews one could ,possibly find? No need to answer. It's a rhetorical question.
yes, RFK is a major disappointment, maddening because his health advocacy work has been stellar. It is hard to fathom his disconnect on the Israeli/Palestine issue.
There is a right side and a wrong side. There never were such a “tribe” or nation as Palestinians. They are nothing more than Arab pawns being used by an evil agenda to “off” the Chosen Ones. Too bad if you or anyone else is butt-hurt over this term. God calls the shots and no one else. The Arabs are the envious ones of old who were children of the flesh and not of the spirit. Because God is merciful, He also blessed those people. Israel belongs to NO ONE but His covenant people. There is nothing some stupid military or pathetic Human race or nation can do to change this. And He’s returning the second time very soon to rule with His own. Tribulation is imminent so repent and believe in the Jew’s Messiah Savior.
O Brother. 👀
I'm Jewish and Israeli. I'm NOT a chosen one. I'm NOT above any other human being. I was NOT given "divine" rights to murder, disposses, torture, massacare, annihilate, throw out, steal the land, abuse and killl the local people in Palestine. God is NOT a tribal sectarian supremacist nationalist. God is the POLAR OPPOSITE of this anti-life Nazi sectarian ideology of Godless supremacy that you described here.
If I may share my perspective, in my view the path forward out of this horror is not strictly in political arrangemnts (that's also important but secondary) but rather it lies in the heart of people, in the ability/capacity to see the humanity of another before viewing them as a label (palestinian, israeli, muslim, jew), as well as in coming to terms with and acknowledging the IMMENSE AND PROFOUND TRAUMA that each "side" has caused the other and in finding ways to heal together.
(and before I proceed I'd just like to say that unlike most Jews (and christian zionists), I'm fully aware that the trauma & violence that supremacist zionist immigrants inflicted on the local people over the last century - in their brutal ruthless cruel project of dispossesion, massacring, annihilation, dehumanization, expulsion, and ERASURE of the local people in Palestine - is many many orders of magnitude greater than the other way around. Some of it is detailed in this shocking documentary https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3psMGQE0iW4 which i can confirm is 100% factual based on my own personal experience in the Israeli military. And after that docu PLEASE don't miss this short video https://youtu.be/CSff-Ip1kZs?si=udYd0XxYz6kbcDMb that tells you the horrific TRUTH of what is being done, everything that the zionist billi9naire's media never mention.. please don't turn away, PLEASE watch this
This capacity mentioned above, to step out of one's bubble and hear/see the humanity of another before seeing a label (and the stories attached to the label), requires having CONTACT between the "sides" so that they may hear each other's stories and each other's pain, but this contact is prevented and denied becasue of the incredible dominance of the sectarian nationalist divisive ideology in both sides.
As a Jewish Israeli' I notice that what allows this ongoing horror to happen (not only today but for more than a century now) is that there is such a total SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION between the "sides" (this is one of the greatest successes of nationalism driven by the ultra-wealthy ruling class, to divide & tribalistically pit against each other those who for centruries lived together, before the introduction of the divisive nationalist mind virus to the region) SEPARATION AND DISCONNECTION so that people from both "sides" have no full understanding of the life experience & trauma experience of those on the "other side".
From what I see, this total DISCONNECTION is exactly what allows people to cheer when "our hero fighters" (whom the other side calls terrorists or invaders/dispossesors) murder, torture, oppress, abuse, slaughter and bomb "them", because each side says "they are evil people who only want to harm us, take our land and kill us/kick us out", and each side has countless examples of actions by the other side that are supposed to "prove" the supposed rightness of their claim.
Each "side" is enclosed and contained within its own SECTARIAN BUBBLE and tells itself its own story, about its trauma and difficulties, and is completely unaware of the life experience and trauma of the "other side".
And so, when the other side reacts (in what it calls self-defense) then the first side interprets it as an attack (becasue of its DISCONNECTION from the stories and sense-making of the other side) and tells a story that "those people on the other side" are evil monsters who only want to harm us for no reason
It's quite amazing how similar the story that each side tells itself to the story that the other side tells itself, it is practically the SAME STORY - we are the victims here who are only protecting ourselves from the aggression of those evil people over there who only want to harm us and hate us for no reason. We have no one to talk to and negotiate with, they are not human beings, they are sons of Satan who hate us from birth, who only want to destroy us and take our land and kick us out - each side speaks the exact same stories!!
And all this lack of understanding happens simply because there is NO CONTACT between the "sides". This is the tremendous success of nationalism/tribalism, there is a complete disconnection, so that I don't hear the story that the other side tells itself and how they make sense of things, I don't experience their life experience, I don't know anything about their pain, I don't realize how much the story they tell themselves is the same as the story I tell myself, and therefore there is no possibility of experiencing the HUMANITY (the fear, the search for security) that motivates the other, just as it motivates me, and therefore also indifference to the trauma that the other goes through at the hands of "our heroic fighters"
It seems to me that the main engine that drives all of this is that people in the region (and especially Israelis) undergo a very deep conditioning/indoctrination from a very young age into a separative and SECTARIAN RELIGIOUS-NATIONALIST IDENTITY and learn to believe (contrary to what reality shows) that this separate and divisive identity is what will provide them with protection and security, even though it does THE EXACT OPPOSITE!!
This indoctrination into the separative exclucivist religious-nationalist identity is much more than just mental brainwashing, but it is mainly the conditioning the of the nervous system and emotional system into IDENTIFICATION with a nationalist-religious label which causes the emotions and the body to react very strongly to anything that they teach me is at odds with this identity.
Strong reaction that comes from the fact that the body/brain/nervous system has been conditioned to learn - through constant repetition in the first years of life (when the personality is formed), again and again and again, and without questioning - this is who I am, that I am this national-religious identity.
It seems to me that those who have fallen into the abyss of sectarianism/tribalism/nationalism (and especially those whose tribalism also involves divisive, excluding, supremacist and God-denying sectarian religious beliefs) have been conditioned to believe that their saftey & security will be found through group separation and exclusion and a sense of uniqueness from the rest of humanity (a feeling that is so deeply imprinted in those who believe that the label of "Jewish" is who they actually are), that security will be found through an attempt to ensure the safety of ONLY one group of people, only those who were born into the "correct" religious-national label (and anyone who was not born into the correct national-religious label can go to hell. She matters a little but not nearly as much as the Chosen People, the most valuable and important people in the universe). It sounds ridiculous, but this is a VERY common & mainstream worldview in the extremely nationalist, ethnocentric, fascistic & exclucivist Israeli society, and it plays a huge part in what brought about this conflict in the first place, since the very early days of sectarian exclucivist zionist nationalism, and its arrival in the middle east from (mostly) eastern Europe.
To me, this is precisely the blindness of the sectarian nationalist-religious identity: trying to create security ONLY for one group, only for a part of the whole (through division, exclusion, separation from the whole and working to secure the narrow interests of only one nationalist-religious identity), such an attempt - of trying to create security ONLY for the part and ignore what this does to the whole - such an attempt can NEVER ever lead to real security but exactly the opposite - this is the number one factor that creates constant conflict and INSECURITY!!!
TRYING TO CREATE SECTARIAN SECURITY (SECURITY ONLY FOR THE PART AND NOT THE WHOLE, ONLY FOR ME AND MY GROUP) IS THE VERY CAUSE OF INSECURITY!!!
In my understanding, tribalism/nationalism and sectarian divisive exoteric religion (which is the POLAR OPPOSITE of what God/Consciousness actually is) is the great disease and blindness of humanity. Is the most destructive and deadly invention that humans have ever invented (not because we are bad, but because we have not psychologically matured yet, and are still blind, and in our ignorance & blindness we believed that this is how we will find safety & security, without understanding what we are doing, without realizing that we are actually creating constant INSECURITY when we search for security through the sectarian divisive nationalist-religious identity, when we seek security only for the part and not for the whole).
To me it is absolutely clear that it is the number one cause of human division, separation, antagonism, hatred, conflict, violence, murder and war..
IMHO, the bloodshed can never stop and there will never be security for anyone unless we have the courage to step out of our sectarian bubble and actually listen and truly understand the profound trauma we inflict (this is true for both sides but especially so for Israelis who are incredibly brainwashed and ignorant of the UNSPEAKABLE HORROR CRUELTY INHUMANITY AND TRAUMA that supremacist right-wing zionist immigrants/colonizers inflicted and inflict on the local people.
Without feeling the pain endured and understanding what palestinians are actually reacting to, indoctrinated supremacist zionists will just continue with the abuse, dispossession, cruelty, throwing-out, murder and erasure of the local people, and keep telling themselves the story that 'they are hostile to us for no reason, simply becasue they are evil antisemite monsters by nature..'
Thank you for sharing your humanity. It is so needed right now.
I look forward to the time when “the lion will lie down with the lamb.”
'chosen ones' says it all! This is where all the trouble begins.....
Agree!
I used to go to a laundry run by a Lebanese lady. She told me that we anglo saxons have no idea how middle easterners think. It is completely foreign to our thinking process. This was reinforced when a missionary couple related a story of a muslim fighter who was injured and was a patient at their hospital. They ministered to him counselled him to give up fighting and killing Jews and he agreed. Same day he was released he went out, got a gun and rejoined his cadre. I keep that in mind when listening to reports on the middle east war.
Ok. I read a bunch of comments and after doing so, came back and listened to this Finkelstein character talk a bit. I got to the point how he self-righteously starts declaring how the Israeli's have declared a public genocide on the Gazan's.
-- Don't start a war with genocide if you don't expect it returned your way.
-- Don't harbor a genocidal actor in your damn hospitals and allow this actor to rape and murder your neighbor(like the neighbor or not) and expect the neighbor to not repay YOU, too, in kind.
-- Don't tell me that even IF the Israeli's have declared to push these bastards into the sea that they are guilty of genocide. The Muslims have for decades declared genocide publicly on Israel and America. F' them.
We call out tribalism! We can say the Muslims want to destroy the Jews & Christians & we can say that the Christians & Jews have systematically killed Muslims! This is the 21st Century & we need to go beyond religion (all patriarchal/testosterone driven) & look at what has happened in Gaza! The Palestinians there (Muslim & Christian alike) are being murdered! They are in a 25mi long/2.5mi wide concentration camp that is being bombed daily. Their water & food is basically gone. Their hospitals are gone & they cannot escape across the border into Egypt! 22K+ civilians have been killed by bombs, many coming from the U.S.! I call this GENOCIDE & I do NOT want my tax dollars spent killing innocent people!
Netanyahu & his Zionists need to go to an island with meet Hamas & fight it out there! Leave the innocent civilians out of the mix! I've said this many times in the last 60+ years, MEN go to an island & point your PENISES at each other there! May the best squirt WIN!!!
Thanks to Hamas, whom the Gazans chose, and still choose now, at a rate of 75%! If you have a beef with what's happening in Gaza, take it up with HAMAS!
The new world never forgets the atrocities of the old world, even many centuries in the past. Hell, the two brothers, both sons of Abraham, are still fighting among themselves and hijacking the rest of the world with their mutual hatred.
I agree. I actually heard a fellow of mixed blood talking about the shared DNA of these folks. Cuckoo.
I really enjoy hearing your thoughts.
So, I actually disagree that "we" are "stuck" with "our" tribal violent and warring nature.
Most of the population of planet Earth are not very violent or prone to bouts of society wide insanity, viscousness, & murder entitled "War."
Women, as a rule, do not make weapons, either historically, or currently, at large scale, nor do armies of women march across the landscapes of Earth killing & looting as they go. Neither do children.
Not unless they have been murderously attacked, enslaved or physiologically manipulated into doing so, under EXTREME duress.
The males of this species have problems with their aggressive natures, when raised in a violent environment. That's the whole problem.
Psychological experiments show that if you raise the males without violence, aggression, abuse, & manipulation, without societal pressure to become violent, they are not either, on any large scale.
But, if a society is both patriarchal & war based, as is virtually every single society on Earth is, to some degree, then the violence keeps repeating, like a bad record.
Why the women & the children of Earth put up with this insanity, is another question. I suppose it is basically a planetary case of "Stockholm Syndrome."
But it always galls me when a man, steeped in the acceptance of the war culture of his ancestors, comes out and declares that humanity is made this way.
No. No it is NOT.
Study the Iroquois, the Minoans, and other matriarchal or female/male balanced peaceful societies.
Study female as opposed to male problem solving. Consider, when women are sane & healthy, how often they would declare war on a peaceful neighbor???
Not much. Not often.
The problem is all the dratted men, and women, who have normalized this utter fucking insanity.
Boys, you need to retire from leadership roles for 6000 years. Then the mothers of Earth will have enough time to fully heal humanity from all the psychosis created by war.
PS- read "Saharasia" by James DeMeo, PhD, to understand more fully the reality of war & male dominant societies.
You know Kath, it is not that us guys can "help" it. Not asking for a pass here, but hey, there are these little guys in the way called genes, and more, called hormones. They are NOT there by chance. There is a reason the creator made both sexes as they are, defective as we all may seem. We can analyze the history and psychology of this till the cows come home but it will do no good, it will also do no good to let women run the world for a year or 6000. Those with the power will lord it over the rest, regardless of their sex or lack thereof.
And by the way, women have their own petty manipulative disgusting traits that gall me and I am often embarrassed by my own sex. The strict rod of discipline with positive reinforcement needs to be used on both sexes Equally as children so that they develop into upstanding hardworking righteous adults instead of violent lying and vulgar immoral low life animals.
OK, I have to say something here: "Study the Iroquois . . ." WHOA?!
Possibly, I missed the main point of this sentence, but to make sure we are on the same page. . . The Iroquois, of ALL the Indian tribes impinging upon the 17th century pilgrims / puritans around New Amsterdam and Virginia were THE MOST SAVAGE of all. They had ALL their Indian neighbors around them scared "shitless" with their over the top merciless tortures and enslavement. I will not go into the gory details here but if YOU want to learn more of the truth of this you can consider reading The Barbarous Years by Bernard Bailyn.
Understand that there were peace chiefs, & war chiefs. And yes the Iroquois could be warlike. But I suggest you look at their tradition of "burying the hatchet" under the "Peace Tree" and the actual organization of the Iroquois Federation, and the way that the early women's rights movement in New York had learned, on Iroquois reservations, that women could be treated with respect & walk safely alone without fear of attack or rape.
There was a lot to the Iroquois system that worked well. "Saharasia" and the book, "Sisters in Spirit," from the Six Nations Indian Museum in Upstate New York gives an good view.
And it was the French that taught the Native Americans scalping, if the books I read were correct...
Katherine, please read some actual accounts from Puritans / settlers on the plains about the practices and what exactly the Indians did to each other and to the settlers. If you heard anything about what the Hamas Gazans did to women, children(the tortures, rapes while family members were forced to watch, beheading babies, gutting.) just multiply that level of atrocity by about 10. Algonquins, Narragansets, Iroquois . . . were savages. It is no surprise to see that word in Thomas Jefferson's original draft of the Declaration of Independence.
You are correct.
I'm not sure matriarchal societies are peaceful and kind - the reverse, probably.
PS Edit: In Australian Indigenous cultures women (and children) were apparently allowed to be as emotional as they liked, but they weren't allowed to hold weapons (First Word). I thought that was quite sensible.
Wow! I guess you slept through history classes, or just ditched them altogether! Women have been involved in the making and uses of weapons throughout history, even in matriarchal societies! "Rosie the Riveter" ring any bells??? Molly Pitcher??? I suppose they were before your time. Maybe you heard the expression "the female is always deadlier", which applies to other species besides just humans? Suffice it to say your rosy view of humans missed an whole library of chapters!
Just study the history of war. Think Ghengis Khan. Think Pol Pot. Think Hitler. Mao. Lenin. Stalin. Think Napoleon. Think!!
Study the history of wars all over Earth. They are started by and fought by men.
Yes, of course, women will support their nations once the wars are ongoing.
But no female leader that I have ever heard of attacked and killed a peaceful neighboring society or nation, that I know of.
Maybe there are exceptions. But they are just that, exceptions.
Follow all the battlefields. Go to Gettysburg. Who died there?
Go to central Europe. Who's blood soaked that ground for Napoleon?
Spend some time at Normandy. The Somme. Watch "They Shall Not Grow Old."
Old men send young men off to die. That is the way the warlike societies behave.
Read about the slavery in Ethiopia. Who were slavers? Men were.
Just read your Bible. Or the Bhagvad Gita. Or the Koran. Or Greek & Roman History.
Good grief.
If you cannot see that the vast majority of wars on Earth were created by and fought by men you are willfully blind to our reality.
I’m seeing at least as many ruthlessly corrupt female psychopaths pushing the covid/climate scams and all manner of political, corporate and judicial white-collar abuse. I have zero illusions that anything run by women will somehow be better than if run by men.
Do you not think those men's women had input into their ambitions and aggressions??? I know about wars; but I also know about HUMANS, from A&P, to psychology, to spirituality, do you. Can you separate your own obvious dislike for men (do you know its origins in you?) from how you view geopolitical events? Are you aware of the spiritual components to the current, as well as past, human history?
It may come as a surprise to you, but I have, in fact, read those, and other, books as well, long since, AND I have served in our military, as well as being the child of 2 veterans, taught by veterans through most of my school years, and lived among refugees from around the world. I am far from ignorant about the nature of war. Do you know what really drives wars. Not "men", a specific sin: GREED! Money is the bottom line, as usual.
Do you realize our full human history? I do not think so. Frankly I always liked males much better than females most of my life, was a complete Tom boy, grew up out in the woods on my horse, wilderness guiding, or in a garage with the boys, or, had my nose in a book.
But, Vietnam destroyed my generation. My brothers escaped but oh so many of my college friends were ruined by it. Ditto our Nation, and the split in half it created of those who were for it or against it.
I read the "Pentagon Papers" at sixteen. "Johnny Got His Gun." "Killer Angels."
And was told to sit under my desk in Fairfax, Virginia when the nuclear bombs were coming, after they told us it would basically incinerate everything for a 10 mile radius.
Now this insane world, run by insane men & insane women is trying to get back to World Wars and Nuclear Holocaust.
But if you study history, spend time in all those blood soaked battle fields, and if you are a women, it may dawn on you, slowly perhaps, but none the less you may come to realize that through the course of human history, it was NOT women who did this.
Nor did they initiate them in the vast majority of cases.
I have raised, generationally, Throughbred horses & German Shepherd Dogs.
I kept stallions & full male dogs, as I like the males the way God made them, full of all the power & energy that their testosterone provides.
But, they can be trouble, for sure, usually with other males. And not everyone wants to deal with this, nor can they. But because of my life history & background, I CLEARLY understand the difference between the symphony that is Estrogen, Progesterone, & Oxytocin, & the drumbeat that is testosterone.
Look at violent criminals in prisons worldwide. They are uniformly male.
We kid ourselves if we do not understand the consequences of raising males in violent situations or by normalizing the insanity that is warfare.
Boys raised without the violence rarely develop it, but their natural instincts do set them up for responding when they are told they have an enemy, differently than the average female.
What I cannot tolerate is that humanity has not learned to lay down it's weapons & work together for a peaceful planet yet. Especially after WW l & WW ll & the Nuclear Age.
And the 6000 year history of this madness would not exist, in my personal opinion, without an unreasonable acceptance, in men & in women, of male related violence
Again, it may come as a shock to you, but it was during the height of Vietnam that I served, and I have in fact, visited battlefields as well.
I still firmly say it is not masculinity, nor hormones that are the problem, or even a symptom! War is, at times, a very necessary evil, in fact, which reality, I suspect escapes you entirely.
STOP your hating on males and testosterone, and THINK, if you can do that, about WHO WINS any war, ever? Who benefits from a war? Has any of that once crossed your mind?
The instigators are those who are also the winners, not the ones who fight, or even send the troops to do so! They are those who PROFIT from the wars: the weapons and munitions manufacturers, those who make the uniforms, and transport all the above to the troops! THOSE are the instigators and winners! They are quite skilled a pushing buttons and stirring up passions, but it's ALL to put money in their pockets, without a care to all those hurt by their wars!
I have no hatred of males, in fact I love them. But I'm trained in biology, psychology, breeding, & history.
And the facts become evident. I do not hold any animosity towards those men & women who sign up to serve their countries, in fact I consider them to quite often be the finest individuals in a nation. They are willing to give their lives for others.
It's your hatred of my perspective that I'm seeing. And to understand it I think you would need to read something like James DeMeo's "Saharasia" & then reflect on the 6000 year history of warfare among human "tribes."
And then brought forward until today, when we have created the means to destroy our entire planet and all life on it for our addiction to killing other people.
War is only acceptable in defense.
And no wars are initiated by a defense, they are most often initiated by "false flags."
The day after President Kennedy was assassinated, the order to move all the military gear organized & stockpiled for the invasion of Japan, to South East Asia was signed.
War is big business. Banksters control them. I know this well, too.
But the root issue goes into biology, psychology, sociopathy, psychopathy & narcissism and our blindness to, and acceptance of, primarily, male violence, aggression, greed & destructive competitive values.
There is positive competition & there is negative competition. Individual biological "wins" that lead to total societal "fails."
We need to get a lot smarter, imho, if we are to deal successfully with the technology now available to the aggressive & the amoral.
If you are interested, read "Sisters in Spirit, " from the Six Nations Museum in Upstate New York.
You might understand where I am actually coming from if you read that & "Saharasia."
Males & Females are biologically different & the sooner we really understand it, the better, imho.
And societies can have value systems based on either competition or cooperation, & this matters also.
Ahh...the "patriarchy" is the problem! I don't buy that at all. All humans share the same nature, they come from the same blood, and are all fallen, sinful beings.
Women aren't as outwardly violent, because they lack the physical strength, and perhaps some of the hormones that drive men. But they find other ways of exercising control: nagging, backbiting, scheming, seducing, telling false tales to get sympathy, taking people to court, etc. In other words, they just shift the task of violence onto the shoulders of others, and try to get that greater power to do what they want.
There is no violence recorded of the patriarchs up until the flood. After the flood, again there is little violence down to Moses, except for one battle Abraham fought to rescue Lot, and right after that, the Lord appeared and told him "Fear not, I am your shield." Evidently, Abraham was fearful because he knew that violence leads to more violence (those who live by the sword perish by the sword), but God assured him that He would be his shield. Abraham never used the sword after that.
Moses tried to use the sword to deliver the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. But it failed, and he fled for 40 years, and learned to tend sheep. After this, he went back to Egypt and delivered them without fighting. Even after the Israelites picked up the swords from the dead Egyptian soldiers on the other side of the Red Sea, Moses never picked it up, and he never fought in their battles, except to pray for them.
There are a few cases of battles being won without fighting, in the Old Testament, notably the victory of Jehoshaphat and Hezekiah; and Elisha's victory over the Syrians. We also have examples of non-violent men attaining great distinction among the heathen: Daniel and Joseph. And finally, we have God's own Son, Jesus, who was "harmless" and taught non-violence.
One of the greatest promoters of non-violent principles in the 1900's was Gandhi--a man! On the other hand, some priests and women in Switzerland beat William Farel rather badly, for not bowing to a statue of the Virgin.
The only reason women don’t follow suit is because they aren’t raised to think the way men are raised to think. It is NOT nature no matter what the church or so called science and psychology propagandize. Women were kept powerless since forever, by bullying threats and brainwashing. The 30 % average decrease upper body strength certainly doesn’t help, but this doesn’t matter now with technology, whether it’s good or bad. As for children, that was ridiculous on your part to even consider them in the equation as they don’t have any maturity, power, or strength.
What I am saying is that a portion, not the majority of our our species has a problem. A big one.
And we all pay for it.
It is not tribalism and the such. It is What is the truth? Zionism has persecuted Palestinians for 75 years now. We have to speak the truth. Murder is wrong. Propaganda is wrong. Superiority complex is wrong...whoever is leading it. Why are people power hungry? Why are they so ignorant? The Chosen People - so delusional. We are created in the image of God and are all connected under HIm.
Nothing to do with 'chosen people', 'superiority', 'propaganda' - it's just rich-mafia trading games.
Britain 'won' WW1 over Germany with Zionist funding, in promise for a homeland. Britain also 'won' Palestine with help from Arab clearance of the Ottomans, in promise for an Arab homeland. I don't know how they were going to manage both of those things. But they sure didn't manage to subdue the resident Palestinians sufficiently to accept the new Zionist state.
I can't help wondering if the reported genocide of Jews in WW2 Germany was, to some, a blood sacrifice to support and create Israel.
You can completely stop wondering. It was definitely a genocide of not only closer to pure-blood Jews, but also of many of their own Ashkenazim in the process. They have no problem with sacrificing "their own", especially if they stand against Zionist apartheid. There is evidence that Hitler and his top henchmen were Ashkenazim. The Holocaust was not only a means to bring about the creation of "Israehell", but also to get rid of most of the closer to pure-blood Jews, thus sealing the AshkeNAZI overthrow of Judaism. In addition, it was preparation for the neo-holocaust through the scamdemics and the "vaccines" that is taking place today. They've always wanted global genocide, and are now bringing it about.
Changed my mind on 'chosen people' and 'superiority' after reply from a commenter, unless this is what is inculcated in adherents to support the endless war.
I could never really reconcile two elements of the Israel and Palestine War.
1) I thought Israel was the most well defended country on the planet. Capable of defending itself at the first second of any issue. I don't understand why it took many hours for the IDF to jump into action. Why so slow?
2) Egypt is right next door to the Gaza border. No boat needed to go from Gaza to Egypt.....just open the doors and pass through. When the IDF were bombing the sh*t out of Gaza and trying to eliminate Hamas and the tunnels, and the Muslim people were told to walk south to avoid the bombs, they got right down to the border. Medical Supplies and Water, Food, Fuel, and basically safety from the IDF was just on the other side of that metal border fence. Egypt, like Gaza, are both Sunni Muslims. I don't understand why Egypt didn't just say FU to Israel, and open the gates and pull the Gaza refugees to their side. They obeyed the IDF. All other Sunni Muslim countries also obeyed the IDF. Why?
Egypt evicted the MB a century ago, and Hamas is MB; they have no way to separate Hamas from the rest, and refuse to have those troublemakers back so no one got admitted, but non-Muslim foreign nationals they could vet. You notice no-one else was rushing to open their doors to the Gazans either, I trust?
That's sort of what I thought. Thanks Sandra Lee Smith.
You're very welcome, Carol.
Egypt doesn’t want the cancer Hamas in its country. They booted out the terrorist organization, Muslim Brotherhood, a long time ago.
IDF never told Egypt to close the gate. Egypt doesn't want the Palestinians, they know that they're nothing but trouble.
Trading mafias?
I didn't listen. Just a reminder......Russell Brand is a card carrying member of the Fabian Society.
Keep that in mind. I think I've read in the past that Finkelstein is opposed to the Zionist Chabbad Khazarian Mafia, which I concur with 100%. You may also want to read 2 books by Shlomo Sand an Israeli History Teacher 1) The Invention of the Jewish People and 2) The Invention of the Land of Israel.
The “invention?” No one invented the people or the Holy land. God orchestrated their position and hierarchy in history. His Word will not return void no matter what some idiots believe.
Deer Miss Bee: Probably either the tee-totaling Hindus (Asuras), or Hilkiah, who preferred the Hebrews be acolytes of the powerful, evil woman (Isha-Ra-El) than be of the essence of Elyon. If Finkelstein said "Invention of the Jewish People", he was mistaken. "Jew" means "Hand of the Eternal", literally "His Hand".
Curiously, how do you reconcile the conflicting words of various peoples' Gods?
It doesn’t matter what peoples’ opinions are of their created little “g” gods. This is subjective thinking. What matters is that there is and can only be one truth. Anything that goes against the truth, including cultural relativism, will Always be conflicting, including misleading translations and alterations in that very belief system. Jesus, Who is the Creator, is the only Way, the only Truth, and therefore He is our life giver. All else is chaos and births confusion.
But Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world." John 18:36. And the land promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, was never occupied by them, and it included the whole world. Romans 4:13. But they will receive it in the resurrection, in the earth made new. That is the true "land of promise."
The little spot of sin-cursed dust that Abraham's descendants were given was only a type, or picture, of the true land (just as the earthly temple was only a type of the true temple in heaven), and they lost it many times, by disobedience, and by trusting in their weapons and heathen alliances, instead of resting in God's power. The very use of the sword was due to unbelief (they had no weapons on the Egyptian side of the Red Sea), which God bore with, and tried to teach them instead, the way of faith, and non-violence.
All the promises will be fulfilled in Christ only. 2 Cor. 1:20. He is the true Seed promised to Eve and to Abraham. Gal. 3:16. All who are in Christ, and have learned God's way of peace, will inherit those promises.
But all who retain the carnal mind, and trust in carnal strength and carnal weapons, will not receive the promises, but will destroy each other. This shows a lack of understanding God's character, which Jesus reveald, but is still mostly not understood.
Isaiah 11:9 "They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea."
Notice the connection between "the knowledge of the Lord" and "not hurting or destroying." Jesus was "holy, harmless, and undefiled." All who are part of His kingdom will be the same.
2 Corinthians 10:4 "For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
See? The true warfare is to bring our "thoughts" into the "obedience to Christ," who was "harmless."
I can see a problem here. This entity has a sense of divine connection and is disrespectful and intolerant of all else. That entity will fight to its end, sacrificing its own children in the process.
What kind of "history" is he teaching??? Definitely not the history of the children of Israel, or the land covenanted to them in perpetuity by Yhwh God. There were no "inventions" involved.
Unfortunately, there are many self destructive Jews amongst us. The Finkelsteins of the world get hired precisely because they are self hating Jews.
Agreed, and those I really don't get at all!
Sounds fishy. "NNH" is Aramaic for fish, and is grammatically a noun, not a verb. No 't'.
Go count the numerous times the word Israel appears in the Torah written thousands of years ago. The word Israel translates “to wrestle with God”. Not some made up BS. You can find a Torah at any synagogue.
Uncommonly good post. Touches on the slightly schizoid nature we all live and hopefully struggle with. It would be somewhat humorous if not for the pain and sorrow it generates.
The book, Empire of the Summer Moon, gives a more detailed look at Cynthia Ann, the Comanche, and McKenzie.
There's no denying that we are violent as human beings.
All of us? No way.
Yes all of us.
You just can't lump everyone together like that. Unless you mean to say all humans have the "potential for great violence."
They do because violence is within each one of us. Violence has been our conditioning. Violence has been the conditioning of humans since the very beginning. To go beyond violence, we must see that we are violent.
It is in us, but varying degrees of violence will have come out of each of us at the time of our death. Possible reasons for the different amounts that were exhibited by each person: genetics, disease, mental illness, spiritual illness, homelife, esp. when young, influences, luck, will, free will.
Wrong. The Qur'an commands, (not a request, a demand), for Muslims to kill every Jew, Christian, and infidel. The reason that every single Muslim out there isn't murdering someone every day, is that most of them wouldn't consider killing innocent people, even though in polling, the majority approve of the holocaust and Hamas. There is a genetic code in humans instructing them some morals.