Attorneys restate claim that FDA merely advised doctors against IVM for dying patients, but did NOT prohibit it. Cry havoc and let slip the plaintiffs' attorneys!
What a total lie! I had a RX for ivermectin for CVS and the pharmacists said “it could kill you!” And wouldn’t give it up me. I went to a mom and pop place which gave it to me.
I’m with you Scott! I eat healthy, clean water, sunshine, intermittent fasting, no alcohol, and I stopped taking arthritis meds. I dropped 30+ lbs. I got my blood checked and I did my own research regarding the results. And I beat cancer, by the Grace of God. The POWER is with the individual! Never forget that! 🌞✝️🌞
indeed you discovered the tenets of health and are here by that Grace, a trusted and competent person who is studied in the tenets of health can provide a really intelligent path
There are a few of us that have retained our Hippocratic ethos, some like me have been involuntarily‘retired’ & either have or are trying to re-establish a practice that is viable & allows ethical patient centered practice. Flccc.net has a listing, I believe.
Of course there are ethical people from the rank and file. The truth is you had to climb out of a very steep walled box, and turn your back on the propaganda and threats.That took character and relearning narratives. Bravo
Haven’t been to a doctor for even a routine checkup in 3 years. Hate the thought of it. Would rather tough it out, whatever comes my way. Never in a million years did I think this would happen.
I went underground too. I guess we need to start somewhere and sue CVS corporate, every doctor and hospital that allowed people to die instead of treating them. I was fortunate. I found a doctor that got me what I needed.
my alternative doctor wouldn't prescribe it, even though he advised using it, because he was afraid to call attention to his practice which was already not recommending the vaccine (they saw some weird miscarriages and other hormonal issues in female patients shortly after the roll out).
my BF kept us very well stocked from india, a compounding pharmacy in NJ, a pharmacy in texas. he talked to doctors everywhere and would get it in whatever form or dose he could. we saved friends who were deathly ill and got better after a single dose. he took it preventatively for 2 years with only a minor rash. i took it once a week for about a year. we both bumped it up to therapeutic levels when we finally got covid which was a mild flu for 2 days for me and a bit worse for 3 days for him. hardly worth shredding the constitution over or losing our jobs for turning down the mRNA experiment
Your BF and I must be (fraternal) twins separated at birth, because I was doing exactly what he was doing to get my mitts on ivermectin (as well as HCQ). While everyone else was buying masks and being socially distant, I was scouring the internet for ivermectin sources, lol.
As as a (retired) attorney, I would not have chosen to sue the FDA organization, at least not at this juncture, for the very reason that the FDA argued. I could easily be wrong, and it's sometimes worth giving it a shot, especially if you have enough money to pay for numerous lawsuits.
Yes, the FDA deeply encouraged people to not take Ivermectin, and deeply pressured doctors and pharmacists to tell people No to Ivermectin, but the FDA just had no authority to PROHIBIT anyone from prescribing it, filling it, or taking it.
Was the FDA sneaky, misleading, and cruel? YES. However, it is my opinion that TECHNICALLY they were correct, so they figured, why not do it?
Sure, theoretically, the FDA could put "We prohibit blah blah..." on a billboard, but the FDA has no way to ENFORCE prohibiting it. The doctors and pharmacists know that. They COULD legally say, "F__k you!" to the FDA, and prescribe/fill Ivermectin, anyway!
WELL, IF THEY COULD THEN WHY DON'T THEY? WHY DIDN'T THEY? Because doctors and pharmacists KNEW they would get slapped down by their LICENSING BOARDS and that the HOSPITALS WOULDN'T GIVE THEM PRIVILEGES AT THEIR HOSPITAL ANYMORE. NO MALPRACTICE INSURANCE WOULD SELL TO THEM.
The KEY for an attorney, doctor or pharmacist who is trying to figure out whom to sue for the best chance at winning, is to ask themselves, "Who is it that is enforcing negative consequences on doctors or pharmacists for prescribing, or filling Ivermectin?" Then sue them.
Please understand that I am very, very disappointed the Court made the decision it did. Courts sometimes rely, instead, on equity and fairness in making a decision, and I wish they had. Hopefully, an Appeal will be successful.
As I said, I am "just" a retired attorney. I could easily be wrong. Just my two cents worth.
You are not wrong. They need to find who gave the orders and sue the pants off of them in a huge class action lawsuit. I would start with CVS. submit FOIA requests and see where the order came from for CVS to refuse to fill Ivermectin and HCQ prescriptions. That is just a start.
I was able to fill my Ivermectin prescription in July-August of 2021. Within a month or two later, I tried to fill another prescription but Walgreens, Walmart and CVS either said they didn’t have it or couldn’t fill it. I called numerous compounding pharmacies, one wanted $8 a pill (highway robbery). I found another for $4 a pill.
I paid the higher price, too, but found it the most reasonable getting from India. People should be very comfortable buying from there, and no prescription need. Took 2-3 weeks tho
good for you. A Compounding small pharmacy probably would have done it.. that is the key.. A compounding pharmacy which is not under the thumb of the govt. That is they way Pharmacies used to be all over. Very hard to find.. I have looked.
Not necessarily. My BIL owns a small compounding pharmacy. While he filled scrips for ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, his 3 employee pharmacists, one his own son!, wouldn't. They were apparently afraid of their pharmacists' associations.
I happened to be listening to the car radio 3 years ago, and a woman in Chicago was begging her Mom's doctors at the hospital, to give her Mom Ivermectin to try, to save her life. They refused. Sadly, I don't know the end to that story. I'm glad you had a happy ending.
There were two hospitals in my area (DuPage County) just west of Chicago who were sued by two separate families in order to have a doctor administer Ivermectin. One of the families suing was a daughter fighting for her father. Both hospitals (under same management) lost their respective suits and the both patients were each allowed to receive Ivermectin. Both patients recovered from Covid and left their respective hospital.
better yet to have prevented the problem in the first place by having the Iver on hand. We have been trained to proceed foolishly. Getting a $12 tube of "horse paste"
and knowing how to use it was all that was necessary, but there are important additions that are well published
Agreed. I got a script for prophylactic ivm but the pharmacy charged so much it was $42 a dose! I bought horse paste, dosed it according to weight for pennies on the dollar. Took one dose every other week and by Sept of ‘21 tested positive for antibodies at Labcorp ($10 test) but I’ve not spent one whole day in bed sick in the last 3 years.
I also started using a netipot with purifued water, Saline packet, and a bit of povidone iodine.
You could now sue CVS , if you had unlimited money, but you probably in the same club like the rest of us trying to stay afloat in Biden's dream world !
Walgreens too. I got a prescription early and the filled it fine. Went back for the refill a few months later and they wouldn’t refill even though I had two refills left on the prescription. Had to switch to a compounding pharmacy.
Me too - they said my insurance would no longer cover it, and I could buy and pay full cost of $125. per month if I wanted it! But I doubt it very much! At least you found a place to buy it!
My sister-in-law's father was given a prescription for ivermectin, but needed hospitalized for covid. The hospital REFUSED to give it to him. He, of course, died. The lies by the 'medical establishment' just keep coming.
I had a similar experience with a pharmacy. I tried 4 other pharmacies without success. One even told me they would lose their license if they filled the prescription. I eventually found a compounding pharmacy that filled it.
I just wish I had realized ahead of time how bad 2020+ would be, how things were never going to be the same, and I would have gone on a wonderful trip somewhere in 2019.
My wife and I went on 5 vacations in 2020, places were cheap and empty. We stayed in places we could not have afforded in normal times. It was wonderful and now that places are charging outrageous prices again, we wish we had done more!
sporadic evidence. Lawful remedy is not legal victory! It is possible to hold the mandarins accountable. They are experts at punting. We must become knowledgeable, there is no other viable option...
Your are correct, they must be held accountable. I strongly suspect Lawful and not "legal" remedy is available. The court system is the legal way. We do not need to reshuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.
You really can't expect people to sacrifice their livelihoods and the economic well-being of their dependents even if they believed it was wrong of the FDA and Fauci's minions to step in with their edicts. That is just self-defense. The people responsible for this catastrophe are in the FDA and top level bureaucrats in the medical associations. I don't suggest punishing the people trying to protect themselves from the government.
Honestly, doctor, you and your fearful colleagues should have banded together and refused to stand by while MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE DIED due to lack of early treatment with ivermectin+ protocols. What in God's name happened to all of you? Do you realize what you've done to your profession? We come to YOU people for help, not Fauci or the FDA. You failed us completely.
I agree that our profession failed the populace and there has been a great loss of respect for physicians for not standing up enough against the FDA and Fauci. Some did, such as Dr. Simone Gold, who founded frontline physicians. She was a respected E.R. physician and was fired. An ENT surgeon came out publicly in support of ivermectin while working at a hospital (in Dallas if I recall correctly), and lost her hospital privileges. I wrote letters to my academy president asking them to speak out, but none of them did. My own supervisor asked me rhetorically, if I didn't recognize how many lawyers there were in the world waiting to pounce on any doctor who deviated from the official guidelines. The problem was that the majority of U.S. physicians respected the FDA as infallible and incorruptible and dismissed hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as "quackery".
Also realize, this was a time period that the American public had not had its eyes opened yet to the elitist agenda including the efforts to convince everyone that teenage girls who wanted to become men were to be "affirmed" in their new sex and needed to be respected in their choices to have their breasts removed and we would be all compelled to use the pronouns that they preferred upon pain of being investigated. And the APA and AAP academies were supporting this idea????
I reached out to multiple radio stations, my local Mayor, the local health department etc.to tell them that IVM was a life-saving drug. Never heard a word back in response. I had a patient make a formal complaint about me when I gave him an article to read about ivermectin efficacy in India. The only famous news people who fought for the usage of these drugs that I knew of were Joe Rogan and Laura Ingraham. I never heard a conservative talk show radio host challenge the FDA. You forget that people were being fired for not taking the vaccine and were openly lied to that the vaccine would prevent transmission of COVID-19. It was like being in the Third Reich and publicly saying you liked Jewish people.
As an undergraduate, my sociology professor told the class that unless there is a break in the ranks of the ruling class, the people cannot revolt. In Japan during the surge of the Delta Variant, the President of the Tokyo Medical Association went on national television and declared: "Now is the time to use ivermectin." The doctors of Japan listened responded and the COVID death and case rates plummeted. No medical bureaucrat in power that I knew of spoke in favor of IVM or HCQ in our country.
For all our talk about democracy, it is human nature not to listen to your fellow plebeians; as a general rule, we only listen to the patricians.
What nerve and eliteism. You make my blood boil. You can say what you want here, sure, but you might want to sit somewhere quietly, and ask yourself why none of the other doctors here have said what you said. I hope you get your medical license permanently suspended, your spouse leaves you, and you end up slapping hamburger for you living at Burger King. Oh, wait, I like Burger King. I hope you get to work, wiping cars at a car wash, and you never get a raise.
Thanks for your efforts and for giving us your reasons. You were scared as apparently most other docs were and eventually stayed quiet. Look at the results.
What happens next? What about the next time? What will the next time look like, Doctor?
Thanks for your efforts and for giving us your reasons. You were scared as apparently most other docs were and eventually stayed quiet. Look at the results.
What happens next? What about the next time? What will the next time look like, Doctor?
History will repeat itself, if we do not expose the corruption within the bureaucracies and take political steps to make laws and policies to prevent a recurrence.
Thank you. First - people, doctors, must speak out.
When my husband spoke about supplements he took to strengthen immunity at a Drs appointment, the nurse put her finger to her lips to indicate he should not speak about such matters.
This is minor compared to my good friend dying in the hospital due to no treatment offered. And as a country, we’ve all experienced this and everything unbelievable in between including I’m sure now, you. And especially the very ugly uninformed daggering and splitting of our nations.
All of it is sick at a humanity level. It is time NOW to speak out - please.
This is a vast criminal conspiracy. This event took years of planning. Many gov'ts. are complicit.
Conspiracy theory? I have yet to hear a conspiracy theory this big! Australia, Israel, Germany, Britain, they were onboard from the start. Then many countries received cash to stop using alternatives like ivermectin.
Vengeance is not ours. Nor do we actually desire this. We want a permanent fix not a lynching though your frustration is heard and shared across this nation and world. We must eradicate the structure, the minions within will self destruct.
It's already being done by our military (https://realrawnews.com/ ). 75 years of anticommunist indoctrination and mind-control, and the fact that the political opposition is dominated by NSA mind-controlled robots (eg BLM, Antifa, fake socialist parties, infiltrated militias), made a popular revolution impossible. We could never do what Cuba did.
We're being treated like children and aren't able to lift a finger against them. However, if the military didn't take care of these demons, nothing would change. Lucifer controlled absolutely every aspect of our social life. #SSP #DUMBs #MeganRose #Montauk
The two problems, honestly, IMO, are Organizing and Communication. Were it as simple as our riding steeds from town to town, announcing, "The British are coming."
Pretty funny. The FDA has thrown everybody under the bus. That's for sure!
I am no lawyer, but I would hate to be one of those hospitals that denied service to patients. Looks to me like a lot of wrongful death lawsuits may be showing up at their front doors!
Thank God you are no mouthpiece. The assumption that "they" know is false. They are simply trained to be lackies in that realm. Remedy does exist// Dave Jose knows the details
Amen!!! Time for some huge class actions against hospitals, doctors, medical boards. I believe if FOIAs were submitted we would find there was communication between FDA/CDC/HHS not to use Ivermectin and HCQ and once the lawsuite start the above will gladly throw whoever gave them the directive not to use Ivermectin and HCQ under the bus.
Could the FDA/CDC/NIH/HHS/WHO sink any lower. Well if they did not refuse the use of Ivermectin and HCQ for COVID then I guess we need to start suing the hospitals, doctors, licensing boards and pharmacists that refused to treat sick people and let them die even when patients begged for IV and HCQ they were denied. They were denied because the hospitals got more money for following the CDC protocols and the doctors were afraid of losing their license. Time for some lawyers to step up and start some class action lawsuits against the above list. There are literally 10's of thousands of people that were denied treatment and people with family members that were denied treatment and died.
Very good! Yes, you are correct as to whom to sue.
I'm sorry, but as as a (retired) attorney, I would not have chosen to sue the FDA organization, at least not at this juncture, for the very reason that the FDA argued. I could easily be wrong, and it's sometimes worth giving it a shot, especially if you have enough money to pay for numerous lawsuits.
Yes, the FDA deeply encouraged people to not take Ivermectin, and deeply pressured doctors and pharmacists to tell people No to Ivermectin, but the FDA just had no authority to PROHIBIT anyone from prescribing it, filling it, or taking it.
Was the FDA sneaky, misleading, and cruel? YES. However, it is my opinion that TECHNICALLY they were correct, so they figured, why not do it?
Sure, theoretically, the FDA could put "We prohibit blah blah..." on a billboard, but the FDA has no way to ENFORCE prohibiting it. The doctors and pharmacists know that. They COULD legally say, "F__k you!" to the FDA, and prescribe/fill Ivermectin, anyway!
WELL, IF THEY COULD THEN WHY DON'T THEY? WHY DIDN'T THEY? Because doctors and pharmacists KNEW they would get slapped down by their LICENSING BOARDS and that the HOSPITALS WOULDN'T GIVE THEM PRIVILEGES AT THEIR HOSPITAL ANYMORE. NO MALPRACTICE INSURANCE WOULD SELL TO THEM.
The KEY for an attorney, doctor or pharmacist who is trying to figure out whom to sue for the best chance at winning, is to ask themselves, "Who is it that is enforcing negative consequences on doctors or pharmacists for prescribing, or filling Ivermectin?" Then sue them. As I said, I am a retired attorney. I could be wrong. Just my two cenas worth.
Plesse understand that I am very, very sad the Court made the decision it did. Courts sometimes rely, instead, on equity and fairness in making a decision, and I wish they had. Hopefully, an Appeal will be successful.
I understand the urge to get angry. But we don’t have to. Enough proof exists to hang the perpetrators (who gladly exchanged our loved ones lives for money) with their own rope. The hypocrisy is in plain view, and enough judges are past the point where they’re blind narrative-followers. Hit these scumbags where it hurts...in the balance sheet. Sue the living shit out of them.
And don't forget the pharmacies! "Someone" told them not to fill the Rx for IVM or Hydro as well. If you were fortunate to obtain these Rx, many struggled to find a pharmacy to fill them.
You are correct. I personally had a pharmacist tell me he would not fill a valid prescription for Ivermectin if it was intended for use to treat Covid-19.
That should not have been the pharmacist's business! Your treatment plan is between you and your doctor! I hope you were able to find an alternative pharmacist.
I paid $600 for each of my early prescriptions for ivermectin...a drug that costs pennies per pill to produce. I don’t blame the pharmacies who charged me that...they were in fear of being shut down.
Pants on fire! Doctors were being disciplined by some state medical boards for Rxing or even advocating for Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, and pharmacies were refusing to fill valid Rx's for either. Some outspoken doctors telling nothing but the truth were stripped of their Specialty Board Certification, even if they were able to keep their license. Meryl Nass, MD, had her medical license revoked in Maine for publicly telling the truth (but it didn't agree with the government/Pharma narrative), and did nothing wrong. She's fighting to get her license back now. Paul Marik, MD lost his hospital privileges, as did Pierre Kory, MD for the same reasons. The government is lying.
This is so wrong. I have been on it over 3 years now--absolutely no problems. Beginning to seek a litigator for damages of improper overstepping of her authority, and Krogers pharmacy also.
Suing for money sounds nice. But we want real justice. Being bought like Judas isn’t justice. We want real justice justice that demands the people who denied Ivermectin suffer the same fate as the people who they denied too. No hiding behind sovereign immunity stating I was doing my job. That did not protect the young man who was a guard at the concentration camps in Nazi Germany during WWII. We hunted them down till they were old men.
I've read a lot about near death, most of the de-bunkers, and particularly Bruce Greyson, an academic psychologist who has studied these experiences for 40 years. One of the things people often report is that they experience everything they inflicted on others from the other's point of view. I genuinely hope law can topple this medical industrial complex by forcing it to pay out all of its profits in class action suits, but should that fail, at least, whatever it means religiously or spiritually or ontologically, they will experience what they've inflicted when they die, perhaps alone, sucking on a ventilator and mainlining remdesivir, if they are admitted to their own facilities when they catch covid.
Take heart, because as sure as I'm sitting here, we have a just God, so those murderers will be living in Hell for all Eternity. Much worse than dying. Meanwhile, we will cross into Heaven, and join our loved one's who will be welcoming us, stretching out their hand for us to take. We will see our sweet pets there, too. No longer will their legs hurt or rhey have cancer - they will be bounding and playing on the green grass am9ng the beautiful flowers. Remember that.
Sadly.... we took-renamed -‘re-purposed’ the higher up Nazi criminal over here in Operation Paperclip ..... so, they are at it here w/ the PLANDEMIC.....
Better yet, they are admitting there was a viable treatment which makes the EUA illegal and therefore negates any shield from liability. NOW let the lawsuits begin!
Tell that to Dr. Paul Marik who was forced, by his hospital, to stand idly by & watch all (7) of his covid ICU patients on ventilators die as a result of his hospital's policy against using his protocol, which included the use of ivermectin. One of those patients was a young mother in her 30s. They put him through a sham peer review & ousted him from the hospital. This was an eastern Virginia hospital. They need to be thoroughly investigated.
I had no problem prescribing and pharmacies filling ivm until September 2021. Wheras hydroxychloroquin was unavailable. Then I was told by chain pharmacies, that it was unavailable trrough their wholesaler. Immediatlyi called my independend pharmacy, and asked them if they had problems as well. They did not. But they noticed that the price had gone up at least 5fold. They also told me, that they would not run the IVM prescription through any insurance plan. The reason was, that the insurers had created a special ICD10 code for ivm. They would not pay if ivm was prescribed for Covid, but other indications was ok! This is the only drug I have ever seen, where the pharmacy asked for a diagnosis! Subsequently I used only independend and compounding pharmacies or if time allowed mail order pharmacies. Now I recommend patients toorder online since it is now OTC. Ivermectin .com and I give the the FLCCCprotocols.
A total joke. Doctors would not prescribe Ivermectin for fear of loosing their licenses and chain pharmacies refused to fill scripts. Thank goodness for a Mom and Pop pharmacy and a frontline doctor who helped our family.
What a total lie! I had a RX for ivermectin for CVS and the pharmacists said “it could kill you!” And wouldn’t give it up me. I went to a mom and pop place which gave it to me.
:-(
I hope I never have to see a doctor again
I’m with you Scott! I eat healthy, clean water, sunshine, intermittent fasting, no alcohol, and I stopped taking arthritis meds. I dropped 30+ lbs. I got my blood checked and I did my own research regarding the results. And I beat cancer, by the Grace of God. The POWER is with the individual! Never forget that! 🌞✝️🌞
indeed you discovered the tenets of health and are here by that Grace, a trusted and competent person who is studied in the tenets of health can provide a really intelligent path
Oh Paul, if you only knew-lol!
have spent 40 years knowing, one never knows to whom they are speaking
There are a few of us that have retained our Hippocratic ethos, some like me have been involuntarily‘retired’ & either have or are trying to re-establish a practice that is viable & allows ethical patient centered practice. Flccc.net has a listing, I believe.
Sadly a very short list I'll wager.
Thank you, sir
Of course there are ethical people from the rank and file. The truth is you had to climb out of a very steep walled box, and turn your back on the propaganda and threats.That took character and relearning narratives. Bravo
far better to have a trusted health care professional who knows about health
Your search not so easy, but they exist, most likely not an MD For emergency care it will be a crap shoot.
I take exception to that. Roger Kimber, MD
You mean killer again?
Yep,
Hear hear!!
In a scope sight even? LMAO
Haven’t been to a doctor for even a routine checkup in 3 years. Hate the thought of it. Would rather tough it out, whatever comes my way. Never in a million years did I think this would happen.
I went underground too. I guess we need to start somewhere and sue CVS corporate, every doctor and hospital that allowed people to die instead of treating them. I was fortunate. I found a doctor that got me what I needed.
my alternative doctor wouldn't prescribe it, even though he advised using it, because he was afraid to call attention to his practice which was already not recommending the vaccine (they saw some weird miscarriages and other hormonal issues in female patients shortly after the roll out).
my BF kept us very well stocked from india, a compounding pharmacy in NJ, a pharmacy in texas. he talked to doctors everywhere and would get it in whatever form or dose he could. we saved friends who were deathly ill and got better after a single dose. he took it preventatively for 2 years with only a minor rash. i took it once a week for about a year. we both bumped it up to therapeutic levels when we finally got covid which was a mild flu for 2 days for me and a bit worse for 3 days for him. hardly worth shredding the constitution over or losing our jobs for turning down the mRNA experiment
Your BF and I must be (fraternal) twins separated at birth, because I was doing exactly what he was doing to get my mitts on ivermectin (as well as HCQ). While everyone else was buying masks and being socially distant, I was scouring the internet for ivermectin sources, lol.
Did you ever talk to a woman in the Philippines and hear her dog barking in the background?
Karen, you are correct!
As as a (retired) attorney, I would not have chosen to sue the FDA organization, at least not at this juncture, for the very reason that the FDA argued. I could easily be wrong, and it's sometimes worth giving it a shot, especially if you have enough money to pay for numerous lawsuits.
Yes, the FDA deeply encouraged people to not take Ivermectin, and deeply pressured doctors and pharmacists to tell people No to Ivermectin, but the FDA just had no authority to PROHIBIT anyone from prescribing it, filling it, or taking it.
Was the FDA sneaky, misleading, and cruel? YES. However, it is my opinion that TECHNICALLY they were correct, so they figured, why not do it?
Sure, theoretically, the FDA could put "We prohibit blah blah..." on a billboard, but the FDA has no way to ENFORCE prohibiting it. The doctors and pharmacists know that. They COULD legally say, "F__k you!" to the FDA, and prescribe/fill Ivermectin, anyway!
WELL, IF THEY COULD THEN WHY DON'T THEY? WHY DIDN'T THEY? Because doctors and pharmacists KNEW they would get slapped down by their LICENSING BOARDS and that the HOSPITALS WOULDN'T GIVE THEM PRIVILEGES AT THEIR HOSPITAL ANYMORE. NO MALPRACTICE INSURANCE WOULD SELL TO THEM.
The KEY for an attorney, doctor or pharmacist who is trying to figure out whom to sue for the best chance at winning, is to ask themselves, "Who is it that is enforcing negative consequences on doctors or pharmacists for prescribing, or filling Ivermectin?" Then sue them.
Please understand that I am very, very disappointed the Court made the decision it did. Courts sometimes rely, instead, on equity and fairness in making a decision, and I wish they had. Hopefully, an Appeal will be successful.
As I said, I am "just" a retired attorney. I could easily be wrong. Just my two cents worth.
You are not wrong. They need to find who gave the orders and sue the pants off of them in a huge class action lawsuit. I would start with CVS. submit FOIA requests and see where the order came from for CVS to refuse to fill Ivermectin and HCQ prescriptions. That is just a start.
Good idea. CVS would have a bit of money...
I was able to fill my Ivermectin prescription in July-August of 2021. Within a month or two later, I tried to fill another prescription but Walgreens, Walmart and CVS either said they didn’t have it or couldn’t fill it. I called numerous compounding pharmacies, one wanted $8 a pill (highway robbery). I found another for $4 a pill.
I paid the higher price, too, but found it the most reasonable getting from India. People should be very comfortable buying from there, and no prescription need. Took 2-3 weeks tho
good for you. A Compounding small pharmacy probably would have done it.. that is the key.. A compounding pharmacy which is not under the thumb of the govt. That is they way Pharmacies used to be all over. Very hard to find.. I have looked.
Not necessarily. My BIL owns a small compounding pharmacy. While he filled scrips for ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, his 3 employee pharmacists, one his own son!, wouldn't. They were apparently afraid of their pharmacists' associations.
Exactly sheep live in fear and the sheep are everywhere Horse paste
massive assaults on Compounders for many years!!!! In my area they were useful if one was willing to pay a serious premium. Again Horse Paste!!
Drs give Vit C and other nutritional supplements to animals. One million dollar horses get the best of care...why not humans?
That’s exactly what I did. Compounding pharmacy. Independent. Great way to get the best things
Good for you, and I hope your Mom is okay.
I happened to be listening to the car radio 3 years ago, and a woman in Chicago was begging her Mom's doctors at the hospital, to give her Mom Ivermectin to try, to save her life. They refused. Sadly, I don't know the end to that story. I'm glad you had a happy ending.
There were two hospitals in my area (DuPage County) just west of Chicago who were sued by two separate families in order to have a doctor administer Ivermectin. One of the families suing was a daughter fighting for her father. Both hospitals (under same management) lost their respective suits and the both patients were each allowed to receive Ivermectin. Both patients recovered from Covid and left their respective hospital.
Best stories I had read during that time!!
better yet to have prevented the problem in the first place by having the Iver on hand. We have been trained to proceed foolishly. Getting a $12 tube of "horse paste"
and knowing how to use it was all that was necessary, but there are important additions that are well published
Agreed. I got a script for prophylactic ivm but the pharmacy charged so much it was $42 a dose! I bought horse paste, dosed it according to weight for pennies on the dollar. Took one dose every other week and by Sept of ‘21 tested positive for antibodies at Labcorp ($10 test) but I’ve not spent one whole day in bed sick in the last 3 years.
I also started using a netipot with purifued water, Saline packet, and a bit of povidone iodine.
You could now sue CVS , if you had unlimited money, but you probably in the same club like the rest of us trying to stay afloat in Biden's dream world !
and the evil doers know that As always making the best possible decision, by not entering CVS ever is one of them.
Walgreens too. I got a prescription early and the filled it fine. Went back for the refill a few months later and they wouldn’t refill even though I had two refills left on the prescription. Had to switch to a compounding pharmacy.
Pretty similar to me...
Ditto - I was denied IV at Rite Aid & ended up getting it from a compound pharmacy
Me too - they said my insurance would no longer cover it, and I could buy and pay full cost of $125. per month if I wanted it! But I doubt it very much! At least you found a place to buy it!
cvs Conned Vax Servers
we ate horse meds in a a squeeze tube,,,,ivermectin
You can buy empty gelatin capsules and fill them with the paste should you ever need Ivermectin again.
My sister-in-law's father was given a prescription for ivermectin, but needed hospitalized for covid. The hospital REFUSED to give it to him. He, of course, died. The lies by the 'medical establishment' just keep coming.
I had a similar experience with a pharmacy. I tried 4 other pharmacies without success. One even told me they would lose their license if they filled the prescription. I eventually found a compounding pharmacy that filled it.
THIS CONFIRMS TO US THAT WE CAN NEVER ACCEPT AS TRUTH ANYTHING THE GOVERNMENT, BIG PHARMA AND THE MEDIA SAYS!!!
The pendulum has now swung. Knowledge eliminates much of the trust issue.
Wisdom provides the knock out punch. And Discernment governs the details...
True. Not ever again.
I just wish I had realized ahead of time how bad 2020+ would be, how things were never going to be the same, and I would have gone on a wonderful trip somewhere in 2019.
Yes why we need to live every day as if it were our last.
My wife and I went on 5 vacations in 2020, places were cheap and empty. We stayed in places we could not have afforded in normal times. It was wonderful and now that places are charging outrageous prices again, we wish we had done more!
Let me state what so many people across the United States and the WORLD feel when they read this:
I fucking HATE these people.
Let's go get them, any way we can. I want to see people hung by the neck until dead.
They attacked the American people. Our own Fed. Gov't. attacked us.
Now it's time for us to turn the tables, use the court system, and jam it up their backsides.
Is there any evidence the court system would be useful?
Looks like the problem in this case IS the court system. (As part of the federal government)
sporadic evidence. Lawful remedy is not legal victory! It is possible to hold the mandarins accountable. They are experts at punting. We must become knowledgeable, there is no other viable option...
Your are correct, they must be held accountable. I strongly suspect Lawful and not "legal" remedy is available. The court system is the legal way. We do not need to reshuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.
You know WEF has been training children to grow up and run our government so our court system can be very corrupted too.
yes and grass is green, Lawful remedy NOT the legal system
try discovery
You really can't expect people to sacrifice their livelihoods and the economic well-being of their dependents even if they believed it was wrong of the FDA and Fauci's minions to step in with their edicts. That is just self-defense. The people responsible for this catastrophe are in the FDA and top level bureaucrats in the medical associations. I don't suggest punishing the people trying to protect themselves from the government.
Honestly, doctor, you and your fearful colleagues should have banded together and refused to stand by while MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE DIED due to lack of early treatment with ivermectin+ protocols. What in God's name happened to all of you? Do you realize what you've done to your profession? We come to YOU people for help, not Fauci or the FDA. You failed us completely.
I agree that our profession failed the populace and there has been a great loss of respect for physicians for not standing up enough against the FDA and Fauci. Some did, such as Dr. Simone Gold, who founded frontline physicians. She was a respected E.R. physician and was fired. An ENT surgeon came out publicly in support of ivermectin while working at a hospital (in Dallas if I recall correctly), and lost her hospital privileges. I wrote letters to my academy president asking them to speak out, but none of them did. My own supervisor asked me rhetorically, if I didn't recognize how many lawyers there were in the world waiting to pounce on any doctor who deviated from the official guidelines. The problem was that the majority of U.S. physicians respected the FDA as infallible and incorruptible and dismissed hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as "quackery".
Also realize, this was a time period that the American public had not had its eyes opened yet to the elitist agenda including the efforts to convince everyone that teenage girls who wanted to become men were to be "affirmed" in their new sex and needed to be respected in their choices to have their breasts removed and we would be all compelled to use the pronouns that they preferred upon pain of being investigated. And the APA and AAP academies were supporting this idea????
I reached out to multiple radio stations, my local Mayor, the local health department etc.to tell them that IVM was a life-saving drug. Never heard a word back in response. I had a patient make a formal complaint about me when I gave him an article to read about ivermectin efficacy in India. The only famous news people who fought for the usage of these drugs that I knew of were Joe Rogan and Laura Ingraham. I never heard a conservative talk show radio host challenge the FDA. You forget that people were being fired for not taking the vaccine and were openly lied to that the vaccine would prevent transmission of COVID-19. It was like being in the Third Reich and publicly saying you liked Jewish people.
As an undergraduate, my sociology professor told the class that unless there is a break in the ranks of the ruling class, the people cannot revolt. In Japan during the surge of the Delta Variant, the President of the Tokyo Medical Association went on national television and declared: "Now is the time to use ivermectin." The doctors of Japan listened responded and the COVID death and case rates plummeted. No medical bureaucrat in power that I knew of spoke in favor of IVM or HCQ in our country.
For all our talk about democracy, it is human nature not to listen to your fellow plebeians; as a general rule, we only listen to the patricians.
Doc Behney said, "You forget that...blah, blah."
Hey, doc, we haven't forgotten anything.
What nerve and eliteism. You make my blood boil. You can say what you want here, sure, but you might want to sit somewhere quietly, and ask yourself why none of the other doctors here have said what you said. I hope you get your medical license permanently suspended, your spouse leaves you, and you end up slapping hamburger for you living at Burger King. Oh, wait, I like Burger King. I hope you get to work, wiping cars at a car wash, and you never get a raise.
Thanks for your efforts and for giving us your reasons. You were scared as apparently most other docs were and eventually stayed quiet. Look at the results.
What happens next? What about the next time? What will the next time look like, Doctor?
Thanks for your efforts and for giving us your reasons. You were scared as apparently most other docs were and eventually stayed quiet. Look at the results.
What happens next? What about the next time? What will the next time look like, Doctor?
History will repeat itself, if we do not expose the corruption within the bureaucracies and take political steps to make laws and policies to prevent a recurrence.
Thank you. First - people, doctors, must speak out.
When my husband spoke about supplements he took to strengthen immunity at a Drs appointment, the nurse put her finger to her lips to indicate he should not speak about such matters.
This is minor compared to my good friend dying in the hospital due to no treatment offered. And as a country, we’ve all experienced this and everything unbelievable in between including I’m sure now, you. And especially the very ugly uninformed daggering and splitting of our nations.
All of it is sick at a humanity level. It is time NOW to speak out - please.
Thank you, JanC. Well said.
What a stuck up as__ole.
Uh, no, Laurence, they can economically take care of their family the way most of the rest of us do.
Who else could have spoken out. Only you!
They attacked the whole Christian West for some reason not just the US. They were really put out when Russia and China refused their poisons.
India also refused. Brazil and South África would make it all the BRICS nations.
This is a vast criminal conspiracy. This event took years of planning. Many gov'ts. are complicit.
Conspiracy theory? I have yet to hear a conspiracy theory this big! Australia, Israel, Germany, Britain, they were onboard from the start. Then many countries received cash to stop using alternatives like ivermectin.
Horrific. This is nothing short of horrific.
Yes. And don't forget Canada and New Zealand, still a part of, and subject to, the British Commonwealth!
Agreed. We need to hunt them down one by one and make sure each and every one of them suffer immensely.
Vengeance is not ours. Nor do we actually desire this. We want a permanent fix not a lynching though your frustration is heard and shared across this nation and world. We must eradicate the structure, the minions within will self destruct.
Uh, I want people to have what they deserve.
They will suffering all eternity in Hell. God will put them in their place, if nothing else.
It's already being done by our military (https://realrawnews.com/ ). 75 years of anticommunist indoctrination and mind-control, and the fact that the political opposition is dominated by NSA mind-controlled robots (eg BLM, Antifa, fake socialist parties, infiltrated militias), made a popular revolution impossible. We could never do what Cuba did.
We're being treated like children and aren't able to lift a finger against them. However, if the military didn't take care of these demons, nothing would change. Lucifer controlled absolutely every aspect of our social life. #SSP #DUMBs #MeganRose #Montauk
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The two problems, honestly, IMO, are Organizing and Communication. Were it as simple as our riding steeds from town to town, announcing, "The British are coming."
There is a way to solve America’s “politician” problems. Join Convention of States. https://conventionofstates.com/?ref=57705
Pretty funny. The FDA has thrown everybody under the bus. That's for sure!
I am no lawyer, but I would hate to be one of those hospitals that denied service to patients. Looks to me like a lot of wrongful death lawsuits may be showing up at their front doors!
Hope so ...
There are also the patients that didn't die and the doctors themselves. The FDA just pulled the stool out from under everybody. Classic!
We'll find out soon enough! When the scent of big money is in the air, the dogs start baying!
Yes, I think you are correct.
Thank God you are no mouthpiece. The assumption that "they" know is false. They are simply trained to be lackies in that realm. Remedy does exist// Dave Jose knows the details
It WAS prohibited. My sister died.
Get a lawyer. Sue the doctor/hospital that refused your sister proper treatment. It is time for EVERYONE that was hurt by these creatures to pay up.
nah, mouthpieces only pile on with very few exceptions when they smell green
Remedy, lawful not legal, remedy
Amen!!! Time for some huge class actions against hospitals, doctors, medical boards. I believe if FOIAs were submitted we would find there was communication between FDA/CDC/HHS not to use Ivermectin and HCQ and once the lawsuite start the above will gladly throw whoever gave them the directive not to use Ivermectin and HCQ under the bus.
I’m so sorry. We had a friend in the hospital and he died from lack of care “we tried everything.” Liars
Was he unvaxed? They wanted to make the unvax an example.
See what happened to him cause he was unvaxed.
I am sorry to hear that. My brother died too. Hospital/doctors refused IVM "because they had to follow CDC guidelines" they repeatedly said.
so sorry. my partner died too. same story.
Thank you and I'm sorry for you too.
thank you.
My condolences on your loss.
Nah, you were stopped by false beliefs. Some of us simple manuvered around the obstacle and saved much money.
Could the FDA/CDC/NIH/HHS/WHO sink any lower. Well if they did not refuse the use of Ivermectin and HCQ for COVID then I guess we need to start suing the hospitals, doctors, licensing boards and pharmacists that refused to treat sick people and let them die even when patients begged for IV and HCQ they were denied. They were denied because the hospitals got more money for following the CDC protocols and the doctors were afraid of losing their license. Time for some lawyers to step up and start some class action lawsuits against the above list. There are literally 10's of thousands of people that were denied treatment and people with family members that were denied treatment and died.
Very good! Yes, you are correct as to whom to sue.
I'm sorry, but as as a (retired) attorney, I would not have chosen to sue the FDA organization, at least not at this juncture, for the very reason that the FDA argued. I could easily be wrong, and it's sometimes worth giving it a shot, especially if you have enough money to pay for numerous lawsuits.
Yes, the FDA deeply encouraged people to not take Ivermectin, and deeply pressured doctors and pharmacists to tell people No to Ivermectin, but the FDA just had no authority to PROHIBIT anyone from prescribing it, filling it, or taking it.
Was the FDA sneaky, misleading, and cruel? YES. However, it is my opinion that TECHNICALLY they were correct, so they figured, why not do it?
Sure, theoretically, the FDA could put "We prohibit blah blah..." on a billboard, but the FDA has no way to ENFORCE prohibiting it. The doctors and pharmacists know that. They COULD legally say, "F__k you!" to the FDA, and prescribe/fill Ivermectin, anyway!
WELL, IF THEY COULD THEN WHY DON'T THEY? WHY DIDN'T THEY? Because doctors and pharmacists KNEW they would get slapped down by their LICENSING BOARDS and that the HOSPITALS WOULDN'T GIVE THEM PRIVILEGES AT THEIR HOSPITAL ANYMORE. NO MALPRACTICE INSURANCE WOULD SELL TO THEM.
The KEY for an attorney, doctor or pharmacist who is trying to figure out whom to sue for the best chance at winning, is to ask themselves, "Who is it that is enforcing negative consequences on doctors or pharmacists for prescribing, or filling Ivermectin?" Then sue them. As I said, I am a retired attorney. I could be wrong. Just my two cenas worth.
Plesse understand that I am very, very sad the Court made the decision it did. Courts sometimes rely, instead, on equity and fairness in making a decision, and I wish they had. Hopefully, an Appeal will be successful.
Liars!!
I understand the urge to get angry. But we don’t have to. Enough proof exists to hang the perpetrators (who gladly exchanged our loved ones lives for money) with their own rope. The hypocrisy is in plain view, and enough judges are past the point where they’re blind narrative-followers. Hit these scumbags where it hurts...in the balance sheet. Sue the living shit out of them.
amazing to me how many well meaning peeps that have no idea of Lawful remedy.
Yes the court system is woefully corrupt. Not different 35 years ago. Maladministration affidavits accountability destroys tyrants...
He is correct. It only takes one willing Judge.
And don't forget the pharmacies! "Someone" told them not to fill the Rx for IVM or Hydro as well. If you were fortunate to obtain these Rx, many struggled to find a pharmacy to fill them.
You are correct. I personally had a pharmacist tell me he would not fill a valid prescription for Ivermectin if it was intended for use to treat Covid-19.
That should not have been the pharmacist's business! Your treatment plan is between you and your doctor! I hope you were able to find an alternative pharmacist.
Yes, but we had to pay extortionist prices for the drug using an online service... You can be sure I will not ever use that pharmacy in the future.
I paid $600 for each of my early prescriptions for ivermectin...a drug that costs pennies per pill to produce. I don’t blame the pharmacies who charged me that...they were in fear of being shut down.
I didn't pay that much for the Rx but I paid about $400 to a doctor for a visit for him to prescribe IVM, Hydro, steroids and other Rx to me.
The Gas Lighting will never stop until they are stopped.
Pants on fire! Doctors were being disciplined by some state medical boards for Rxing or even advocating for Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, and pharmacies were refusing to fill valid Rx's for either. Some outspoken doctors telling nothing but the truth were stripped of their Specialty Board Certification, even if they were able to keep their license. Meryl Nass, MD, had her medical license revoked in Maine for publicly telling the truth (but it didn't agree with the government/Pharma narrative), and did nothing wrong. She's fighting to get her license back now. Paul Marik, MD lost his hospital privileges, as did Pierre Kory, MD for the same reasons. The government is lying.
This is so wrong. I have been on it over 3 years now--absolutely no problems. Beginning to seek a litigator for damages of improper overstepping of her authority, and Krogers pharmacy also.
Suing for money sounds nice. But we want real justice. Being bought like Judas isn’t justice. We want real justice justice that demands the people who denied Ivermectin suffer the same fate as the people who they denied too. No hiding behind sovereign immunity stating I was doing my job. That did not protect the young man who was a guard at the concentration camps in Nazi Germany during WWII. We hunted them down till they were old men.
I've read a lot about near death, most of the de-bunkers, and particularly Bruce Greyson, an academic psychologist who has studied these experiences for 40 years. One of the things people often report is that they experience everything they inflicted on others from the other's point of view. I genuinely hope law can topple this medical industrial complex by forcing it to pay out all of its profits in class action suits, but should that fail, at least, whatever it means religiously or spiritually or ontologically, they will experience what they've inflicted when they die, perhaps alone, sucking on a ventilator and mainlining remdesivir, if they are admitted to their own facilities when they catch covid.
Take heart, because as sure as I'm sitting here, we have a just God, so those murderers will be living in Hell for all Eternity. Much worse than dying. Meanwhile, we will cross into Heaven, and join our loved one's who will be welcoming us, stretching out their hand for us to take. We will see our sweet pets there, too. No longer will their legs hurt or rhey have cancer - they will be bounding and playing on the green grass am9ng the beautiful flowers. Remember that.
I won’t lose sleep if I hear these people are being hunted, but I still believe in the rule of law.
Indeed the rule of LAW, do not conflate it with legal quagmire
Sadly.... we took-renamed -‘re-purposed’ the higher up Nazi criminal over here in Operation Paperclip ..... so, they are at it here w/ the PLANDEMIC.....
Yep
Actually the U.S. hired a bunch of them.
Better yet, they are admitting there was a viable treatment which makes the EUA illegal and therefore negates any shield from liability. NOW let the lawsuits begin!
How is it that this government attorney has not been fired or demoted?
Because he works for the government.
Tell that to Dr. Paul Marik who was forced, by his hospital, to stand idly by & watch all (7) of his covid ICU patients on ventilators die as a result of his hospital's policy against using his protocol, which included the use of ivermectin. One of those patients was a young mother in her 30s. They put him through a sham peer review & ousted him from the hospital. This was an eastern Virginia hospital. They need to be thoroughly investigated.
I had no problem prescribing and pharmacies filling ivm until September 2021. Wheras hydroxychloroquin was unavailable. Then I was told by chain pharmacies, that it was unavailable trrough their wholesaler. Immediatlyi called my independend pharmacy, and asked them if they had problems as well. They did not. But they noticed that the price had gone up at least 5fold. They also told me, that they would not run the IVM prescription through any insurance plan. The reason was, that the insurers had created a special ICD10 code for ivm. They would not pay if ivm was prescribed for Covid, but other indications was ok! This is the only drug I have ever seen, where the pharmacy asked for a diagnosis! Subsequently I used only independend and compounding pharmacies or if time allowed mail order pharmacies. Now I recommend patients toorder online since it is now OTC. Ivermectin .com and I give the the FLCCCprotocols.
A total joke. Doctors would not prescribe Ivermectin for fear of loosing their licenses and chain pharmacies refused to fill scripts. Thank goodness for a Mom and Pop pharmacy and a frontline doctor who helped our family.