Agreed. Every chance the media and NATO gets they will blame the Russians. It doesn’t matter to them if the idea of a missile strike on an aircraft makes no sense whatsoever. It’s always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!
Anti aircraft missiles use ball bearing shaped projectiles to depressurize the aircraft and cause the fuselage to fail. So, the "it blows them up" comment is pure fallacy and shows a bit of ignorance on your part.
Its okay to be ignorant, it's what you do once you discover this that is more important.
The Russian Pantsir system uses up to 12 SAM's AND Two 2A38M 30 mm (1.2 in) autocannon guns that are fitted with 700 rounds in a variety of ammunition—HE (High Explosive) fragmentation.
Surface to air missiles, in this case the 57E6, the missiles slam into their target causing them to explode or detonate their warhead spreading smaller explosive projectiles at a distance of 12 meters from the target.
That’s true about always defaming Russia but it sounds like this was an accidental shoot down by likely the Pantsir gun system. Putin has already apologized.
In 1983 a Korean Airlines 747 enroute from Anchorage to Seoul was shot down by a Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 Interceptor after accidentally wandering into Soviet airspace. The Soviets concluded it was a spy plane and they ordered it shot down with an air-to-air missile. After denying that they had shot the aircraft down for ten years, they finally admitted to it after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
The various videos on the crashed aircraft clearly show that it was sprayed with a large volume of shrapnel that ripped mostly through the fuselage, tail with enough damage to remove all hydraulics to the control surfaces. If it was shot with bullets, it would have been far less damage unless shot by a gattling, rapid fire weapon from an aircraft, which would have identified it as civilian.A few bullets wouldn't have taken out all hydraulics.
The MAJORITY of the holes, on the outside of the plane, is due to the crash-landing.....the rocks/stones being 'kicked up', and on to the outside of the plane.
Seems like the center of that symbol would be a specific GPS coordinate allowing location of an object undersea. It also is too perfect to not be flown by preprogramming the flight path.
America has became a Disgusting Hellhole ruled by One of two Psychotic Oligarchy groups since they murdered Kennedy, as well as often before him with a few exceptions like Jefferson and Lincoln. And yet most fall for the same Right/Left charade.
“…governments and their militaries always fail to predict and control the outcome of wars…” - because they simply DON’T CARE. Because they intentionally create these ‘wars’, for nefarious purposes.
We still accept “friendly fire” there is no such thing when using killing machines-real bullets. I think everyone in office should have to put up themselves or their children to the front lines- no officers- but that would never happen because we plebes, peasants, peons are expendable:( sickening. Our govt has always been corrupt-just like all other countries govts. At some point these situations need to be taken control of and without deaths. We cannot just throw our kids away- nor should other countries. There has to be a solution- as far as the payout from the army- it’s gross. We pay the top brass too much- they have not moved from bottom to top- they took college classes and never saw ground war or were shot at- what the hell do they know?! No risk for them. Put them all in harms way and pay them 50% less- bet we would have solutions and better outcomes
The endless arrogant callousness runs wild of uniformed box tickers and ticket punchers protected by bureaucrats and politicians who all know they can get away with treating "others" as fungible pieces of meat until the day they are regardless of rank or job title named, shamed and held to 100% personal liability.
If Ukraine was flying drones and Russia firing anti-aircraft both are responsible if either had something hit the airliner. It's a question of percentages. And, if USA helped with the drones many Americans are liable, too.
Solution, Navy bombs the wholly Fauci out of the Army command center that fired the missile or that of whoever said “that’s the price of doing business”, and when the army asks WTF?, reply with “that’s the price of doing business”.
Whatever happened, the fundamental problem is that we no longer trust our government to tell us the truth. They will undoubtedly skew the facts to fit their objectives.
There's an aviation You Tuber who lives 2 miles away from me who made a video the day that crash happened - {flight J2-8243} just a few days ago. He said the engine had a catastrophic failure and engine parts went "flying" into the tail. I actually E mailed the Tuber and told him that was NOT what happened. When a jet engine comes apart in flight the pieces from the fan blades, compressor and turbine blades will "shoot" out inline but perpendicular to the engine. They may "fly" straight up, down, parallel to the wing past the wingtip, OR directly into the fuselage. The reason I know this is because I am familiar with VIP airliners with long range "aux" tanks installed in what is normally the cargo bins. Underneath the cargo liners directly in line with the specific "aux" tank that is installed just aft of the forward cargo door, are sheets of STEEL. These sheets of steel are put in place to keep departed turbine and compressor and fan blades from penetrating the aux fuel tank. The point being, engineers already know where pieces go when a jet engine has a catastrophic failure {which is very rare} - they do not go into the tail. I told him what I thought happened and hopefully he'll have a correction video. From my perspective, there was no engine failure but there was certainly loss of pitch control. I speculate the aircraft lost all their hydraulic fluid even though there are separate hydraulic systems. The good news is, certified aircraft are inherently stable which is why {in theory} you can "control" the aircraft with varying thrust settings which to me that's what I see in the video from "Russia". As far as the landing gear, if you lose hydraulics, you can manually extend the gear - all you're doing is releasing the uplocks {with a hand crank} and the gear freefalls down and aerodynamic forces set the landing gear in the down and locked position. So the only explanation I have, is somebody "shot" something at this aircraft and hit the tail. Was it a missle or ground fire {or sea fire} ?? That I have no clue because I have no background in weapons systems - but I do know how an airplane works.
John, while reading your post, I couldn't help but notice the remarkable proximity of what you've just described to an incident that occurred just six days ago over the Red Sea.
As it appears, we've just witnessed a stark real-world example of your point - the USS Gettysburg, a guided-missile cruiser, mistakenly shot down one of our own F/A-18F Super Hornets from the USS Harry S. Truman carrier while it was flying over the Red Sea.
Both aviators were safely recovered, but the incident stands as a sobering testament to the very institutional failures you're highlighting. When our own ships can't properly identify our own aircraft, it raises serious questions about the competency and communication issues you've been discussing.
Accidents happen in war, the purpose after all is to destroy materials and lives. War however are NEVER accidental as they are begun with purpose and mostly not the loudly proclaimed ones used as an excuse to begin the destruction.
It is always necessary to step back, to shut off the noise shouting for our attention to manipulate our minds, and to ask the questions. Who benefits? How is each participant being funded and. by whom - surprise, surprise (and it should not be) it may be effectively the same source(s) for each. How far back were preparations being made for the destruction to begin?
Wars are not accidental, they are deliberate and provide easy simple excuses for the many accidents that will inevitably occur to 'innocent' bystanders.
Why does Russia keep getting blamed for shit?!
A Russian MISSILE did NOT hit that plane!
Do people comprehend what a MISSILE DOES to a plane, when it hits it????
It will BLOW THE PLANE UP.......IN THE AIR!
There was a short video that I'd seen, from INSIDE this plane, BEFORE it crash-landed.
There was a BULLET HOLE, clearly visible, on the wall of the cabin.
Clearly, a MISSILE cannot create BULLET HOLES!
This was NOT done by Russian ANYTHING!
A drone that shoots bullets......NOT the Russians, because Russia does NOT target civilians.
PERIOD!
A Drone Operator can SEE, via the drone screen, what targets they're going after.
I've watched enough Russia vids, via Telegram, of their drone strikes to KNOW BETTER.
Even if I did not see these vids, it's just COMMON SENSE.....RUSSIA DIDN'T DO IT!
WHO would get their 'rock off' by taking down a civilian airplane??
The Uki-NAZIS, is WHO!
And as far as all of the HOLES, on the outside of the plane, after it crash-landed.......
1.) a few are BULLET HOLES
2.) the vast majority are from rocks/stones that happened during the CRASH-LANDING
The terrain where the plane 'landed' was rocky (small rocks/stones).
As the plane 'landed', it 'kicked up' rocks/stones, which caused the majority of the HOLES
that we see, on the outside of the plane.
C'mon!.....this is just COMMON SENSE!
Agreed. Every chance the media and NATO gets they will blame the Russians. It doesn’t matter to them if the idea of a missile strike on an aircraft makes no sense whatsoever. It’s always RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!
It's nauseating, isn't it?!
The #1 reason that the Satanist Globalists, and their Satanist MINIONS (the 'West') hate Russia/Russians, is because Russians are REAL CHRISTIANS!
The (REAL) History of the split with Eastern Orthodox Christians and the Western *cough* 'Christianity', is way too long to get into, here.
But those who CLAIM to be Christians, SHOULD be in Russia's corner, AGAINST SATANISM!
They SHOULD be on the side of 'GOODNESS' (vs EVIL)!
The FAKE 'Christians', in the USSA/AmeriKa, is also NAUSEATING!
Anti aircraft missiles use ball bearing shaped projectiles to depressurize the aircraft and cause the fuselage to fail. So, the "it blows them up" comment is pure fallacy and shows a bit of ignorance on your part.
Its okay to be ignorant, it's what you do once you discover this that is more important.
The Russian Pantsir system uses up to 12 SAM's AND Two 2A38M 30 mm (1.2 in) autocannon guns that are fitted with 700 rounds in a variety of ammunition—HE (High Explosive) fragmentation.
Surface to air missiles, in this case the 57E6, the missiles slam into their target causing them to explode or detonate their warhead spreading smaller explosive projectiles at a distance of 12 meters from the target.
https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/pantsir-s-1/
That’s true about always defaming Russia but it sounds like this was an accidental shoot down by likely the Pantsir gun system. Putin has already apologized.
I forgot to add......there WERE RUSSIAN PASSENGERS, on that plane!
Never say Never
In 1983 a Korean Airlines 747 enroute from Anchorage to Seoul was shot down by a Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 Interceptor after accidentally wandering into Soviet airspace. The Soviets concluded it was a spy plane and they ordered it shot down with an air-to-air missile. After denying that they had shot the aircraft down for ten years, they finally admitted to it after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
???? The Soviet Union??
You DO know that Russia is no longer the Soviet Union, right????
(WOW!!)
You clearly do not know the connection between the current Russia and the former Soviet Union. Some things never change
YOU clearly don't know wtf you're even talking about.
TURN OFF THE IDIOT BOX!
It's called an 'Idiot Box' for a reason.
The various videos on the crashed aircraft clearly show that it was sprayed with a large volume of shrapnel that ripped mostly through the fuselage, tail with enough damage to remove all hydraulics to the control surfaces. If it was shot with bullets, it would have been far less damage unless shot by a gattling, rapid fire weapon from an aircraft, which would have identified it as civilian.A few bullets wouldn't have taken out all hydraulics.
Go and LOOK again.
The MAJORITY of the holes, on the outside of the plane, is due to the crash-landing.....the rocks/stones being 'kicked up', and on to the outside of the plane.
Its a missile--square holes from square shaped shrapnel.
Friendly fire does happen and it's unfortunate. I saw it happen many times in Vietnam.
Agreed.
No such thing as firing recall ammo at any one that is known or unknown - it really isn’t friendly
https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/C2302. Thought you might comment on this flight path forming a radiation hazard symbol.
Seems like the center of that symbol would be a specific GPS coordinate allowing location of an object undersea. It also is too perfect to not be flown by preprogramming the flight path.
Friendly fire ain't that friendly.
America has became a Disgusting Hellhole ruled by One of two Psychotic Oligarchy groups since they murdered Kennedy, as well as often before him with a few exceptions like Jefferson and Lincoln. And yet most fall for the same Right/Left charade.
“…governments and their militaries always fail to predict and control the outcome of wars…” - because they simply DON’T CARE. Because they intentionally create these ‘wars’, for nefarious purposes.
We still accept “friendly fire” there is no such thing when using killing machines-real bullets. I think everyone in office should have to put up themselves or their children to the front lines- no officers- but that would never happen because we plebes, peasants, peons are expendable:( sickening. Our govt has always been corrupt-just like all other countries govts. At some point these situations need to be taken control of and without deaths. We cannot just throw our kids away- nor should other countries. There has to be a solution- as far as the payout from the army- it’s gross. We pay the top brass too much- they have not moved from bottom to top- they took college classes and never saw ground war or were shot at- what the hell do they know?! No risk for them. Put them all in harms way and pay them 50% less- bet we would have solutions and better outcomes
The endless arrogant callousness runs wild of uniformed box tickers and ticket punchers protected by bureaucrats and politicians who all know they can get away with treating "others" as fungible pieces of meat until the day they are regardless of rank or job title named, shamed and held to 100% personal liability.
If Ukraine was flying drones and Russia firing anti-aircraft both are responsible if either had something hit the airliner. It's a question of percentages. And, if USA helped with the drones many Americans are liable, too.
Solution, Navy bombs the wholly Fauci out of the Army command center that fired the missile or that of whoever said “that’s the price of doing business”, and when the army asks WTF?, reply with “that’s the price of doing business”.
FOR SURE ITSHOULD HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY THE UKRANIAN DRONES, AS RUSSIAN MISIL are more acurate then Occidental arms...
Whatever happened, the fundamental problem is that we no longer trust our government to tell us the truth. They will undoubtedly skew the facts to fit their objectives.
Are deaths of mandated employees “friendly fire” episodes?
There's an aviation You Tuber who lives 2 miles away from me who made a video the day that crash happened - {flight J2-8243} just a few days ago. He said the engine had a catastrophic failure and engine parts went "flying" into the tail. I actually E mailed the Tuber and told him that was NOT what happened. When a jet engine comes apart in flight the pieces from the fan blades, compressor and turbine blades will "shoot" out inline but perpendicular to the engine. They may "fly" straight up, down, parallel to the wing past the wingtip, OR directly into the fuselage. The reason I know this is because I am familiar with VIP airliners with long range "aux" tanks installed in what is normally the cargo bins. Underneath the cargo liners directly in line with the specific "aux" tank that is installed just aft of the forward cargo door, are sheets of STEEL. These sheets of steel are put in place to keep departed turbine and compressor and fan blades from penetrating the aux fuel tank. The point being, engineers already know where pieces go when a jet engine has a catastrophic failure {which is very rare} - they do not go into the tail. I told him what I thought happened and hopefully he'll have a correction video. From my perspective, there was no engine failure but there was certainly loss of pitch control. I speculate the aircraft lost all their hydraulic fluid even though there are separate hydraulic systems. The good news is, certified aircraft are inherently stable which is why {in theory} you can "control" the aircraft with varying thrust settings which to me that's what I see in the video from "Russia". As far as the landing gear, if you lose hydraulics, you can manually extend the gear - all you're doing is releasing the uplocks {with a hand crank} and the gear freefalls down and aerodynamic forces set the landing gear in the down and locked position. So the only explanation I have, is somebody "shot" something at this aircraft and hit the tail. Was it a missle or ground fire {or sea fire} ?? That I have no clue because I have no background in weapons systems - but I do know how an airplane works.
John, while reading your post, I couldn't help but notice the remarkable proximity of what you've just described to an incident that occurred just six days ago over the Red Sea.
As it appears, we've just witnessed a stark real-world example of your point - the USS Gettysburg, a guided-missile cruiser, mistakenly shot down one of our own F/A-18F Super Hornets from the USS Harry S. Truman carrier while it was flying over the Red Sea.
Both aviators were safely recovered, but the incident stands as a sobering testament to the very institutional failures you're highlighting. When our own ships can't properly identify our own aircraft, it raises serious questions about the competency and communication issues you've been discussing.
https://news.usni.org/2024/12/21/u-s-super-hornet-shot-down-over-red-sea-in-friendly-fire-incident-aviators-safe
Russia being treated like a white policeman in America
Accidents happen in war, the purpose after all is to destroy materials and lives. War however are NEVER accidental as they are begun with purpose and mostly not the loudly proclaimed ones used as an excuse to begin the destruction.
It is always necessary to step back, to shut off the noise shouting for our attention to manipulate our minds, and to ask the questions. Who benefits? How is each participant being funded and. by whom - surprise, surprise (and it should not be) it may be effectively the same source(s) for each. How far back were preparations being made for the destruction to begin?
Wars are not accidental, they are deliberate and provide easy simple excuses for the many accidents that will inevitably occur to 'innocent' bystanders.