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It’s ALL very very suspect…..

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That area is very much dominated by localism. I find it hard to believe those men would even follow an order like that.

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Thankyou John for your true investigative journalism on this issue.

Sasha Latypova wrote an essay today concerning a claim from an anonymous poster that their research of GIS mapping data indicates that the fire burned mostly properties that were non-government owned/controlled and the burn lines coincided too perfectly with property lines. Their position is that the burnt properties were the smaller residential and low rise buildings in the town.

I would love your checking into this and your opinion.

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/was-weaponized-gis-used-in-lahaina?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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Literally every aspect, about this fire and devastation is suspicious and yes that is from LOCALS that lived there.

Del Big tree did a great job interviewing one family with dozens of unansered questions .

And the suspicions just get bigger and bigger daily..

This is good.

https://twitter.com/TPV_John/status/1695627039355621810?t=CJCmrYnv5zRnreTeghu1eQ&s=09

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https://www.bitchute.com/video/45n30eSpBOwO/

They seemed to have gone to extreme lengths to get this former Captain Las Vegas police department and his Deputy to Lahaina ?

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John, in case you missed this comment from earlier, this is an important forensic concern:

Porcelain has a melting point of just over 3000 deg F, well in excess of steel or aluminum. In structure fires, even very hot ones, materials like ceramics and fire brick are typically found because of their extreme temperature tolerance. All of these structures had porcelain, in the form of sinks, tubs, and toilets. Granted, some sinks and tubs are now made with acrylic and other polymers, but toilets are almost always made of porcelain. Every structure likely had at least one, if not several.

In all the footage and photos of the remains, I haven’t seen any toilets, not even in pieces…

Where are all the toilets?

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Well, for starters, everyone needs to look at who the Lahaina incident commander was. That would be the Maui police chief- John Pelletier. Coincidentally (cough) Pelletier was also the incident commander at the 1 Oct Las Vegas massacre. When concertgoers tried to flee the shooting, they ran to the gates they entered through. Those gates had been closed and locked. No fire marshal would ever give an order like that. It had to come from Pelletier and whoever was above him. That sheriff, by the way, is now the governor of Nevada through provable election fraud. So what they want us to believe is no one at the Maui Police Dept was qualified to be chief. And no one from even Oahu was qualified to be chief. They had to recruit an incident commander from Las Vegas to be the chief of police. Pelletier has been a nightmare and even the news has reported on how many people have filed official complaints against him. Justice 4 Lahaina.

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You know what scares me more than the cops blocking exit? That so many people obeyed. I hope people learn from this.

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Q: What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth?

A: 6 months

The police chief Pelletier was the same chief in the Las Vegas mass shooting. No answers ever came from that guy regarding that tragic event. He's in cahoots with someone in multiple mass murders and though you won't entertain conspiracy theories, we will. He's bent as a 9 bob note...

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"Click and destroy": The precisely planned destruction of Lahaina

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/was-weaponized-gis-used-in-lahaina

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Aug 28, 2023·edited Aug 28, 2023Liked by Peter McCullough, MD

I think it's an important question to answer, but the focus on the police shows that people don't understand incident command structures.

At a fire, the police are there as support for the fire department. They would normally be helping to evacuate people, but they are not in charge. The fire chief or senior fire officer on scene is the incident commander, and whomever is the senior police officer on scene would coordinate with the incident commander.

If the reporting is accurate, that the police were blocking the main street out of Lahaina during the fire, that's absolutely inconceivable to me, as a retired police officer. Any legitimate police response would've been the opposite: making sure vehicles fleeing the fire had a clear path and didn't have to stop, and assisting anyone who needed help to flee. Even if an order came over the radio telling police on scene to block the road and trap people in the fire, there's no way they would obey. Has anyone filed a FOIA request to get the dispatch tapes from the county?? All radio communication, both police and fire, is recorded.

The much bigger question, in my view, is "where was the fire department?" I see no evidence or reporting of the massive fire department response that would always happen (in previous times, at least). The first responders from the fire department would've been on scene within a few minutes of the first reports of the fire(s), and them reporting what they saw would've rapidly escalated the dispatch to a second and third alarm, which would've had several other fire stations responding to assist. From a quick look at an online map, I see 8 other fire stations within about 30 miles of Lahaina, in addition to the county fire station in Lahaina. Numerous of those other fire stations would've been dispatched to assist the Lahaina station. Where were they?? And why is the police chief/coroner/Las Vegas mass shooting lead investigator looking like the one in charge at all of the press conferences, when he wouldn't have been in charge of the fire response? Why isn't the sincere press there hunting down the fire commanders who were in charge, and getting some answers??

The photo is bizarre. I can understand the placement of the police car on the left that's blocking the main highway going toward the fire, as they would be stopping and warning people headed toward the fire. The police car that's blocking the single lane coming from the town center onto the highway should absolutely not be there. My first thought seeing that photo is that those officers were dispatched to block the lanes going toward the fire, and one idiot cop misunderstood the intent and blocked the wrong lane. That's the most likely scenario, unless there's real evidence to lead elsewhere. People want to believe that every cop is competent and knows exactly what they're doing, and that's just not true, especially now that competency isn't even one of the primary hiring criteria.

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I suggest anybody who hasn't done so already watch two videos on YouTube by Eric West, the Hawaiian Realtor. One is an interview with Lani, who describes how the police were blocking the south end of Front St. The other interview is with "Fish", who describes that a policeman on foot blocked the north end of Front St. The cars in this picture are not blocking Front St., at all. They are blocking the Honoopiilani Hwy, going south. I know this area very well. I ride it on my bike almost every day one month a year for the last five years. The police blocked BOTH Front St. exits. They trapped people like fish in a barrel for the shooting. "Fish" broke down when he described what he saw when he returned to the area some hours later. I imagine it was all the bodies roasted in those cars, both adults and children.

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I don’t understand why people didn’t overwhelm the roadblocks

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The real question is going up the chain of command to see who issued the order to block the road. As much as hindsight is 20/20, I don't believe the police blocking the road were the ones to blame: they were given an order probably with an ostensible reason for it (eg power lines or another fire up ahead) which they had no reason to question. So who did know?

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Can you check out the guarded black fencing 8 feet high now surrounding everything around Lahiana? I watched video of it, very strange under the circumstances.

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PD taking orders from Black Rock to maximize death so properties could be bought in fire sale - owners incinerated.

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