The vehicle on fire has been determined to be a hybrid vehicle. It, therefore, has an electric battery. In addition, other cars in that garage were also hybrid vehicles and this is what caused the intensity of the fire. This is NOT the fire gasoline makes. The Brit government is committed to going all-electric by 2030 and THIS is the cause of their blatant lying concerning this fire.
The great thing about Lithium-ion battery fires is this:
Electric car batteries are very high-voltage batteries — 400 volts is typical; 800 volts is becoming common — and they are fire-prone by design. A process called thermal runaway can trigger a fire without a spark — or an impact. This most commonly happens when the electric car is being charged, and it is why electric car fast-charging is always a potential fire problem–with every electric car.
This is why “fast” recharging is slow compared to refueling, which takes less than five minutes without any risk of fire from the pumping of fuel. But the “pumping” of volts is always a fire risk; it causes the battery to get hot, and that can lead not just to a fire but a very hot and hard-to-extinguish fire.
This is why “fast” charging of electric vehicles (EVs) takes 20 to 30 minutes or longer, and also why the charge is not to “full.” When you “fast” charge an EV, you only partially charge it — to about 80 percent of capacity in most cases. This is a necessary precautionary measure to reduce the risk of a fire. Which also reduces the EV’s range, and so necessitates another (and sooner) recharge.
But it does not eliminate the risk, which is inherent. And which will in all probability increase as “fast” charging increases, despite the fact that it is more risky, as far as risking thermal runaway, than letting the battery charge slowly, such as by plugging in to low-voltage household (120-volt) current.
The problem with that, of course, is that it takes several (6 to 12) hours to recharge an electric car’s batteries that way, and most people do not want to wait that long or plan their lives around recharging. Most people who just want a car to work are not likely to be willing to tolerate such waits and will insist on “fast” and faster charging, in order to avoid the wait. And they will be “fast” charging more frequently.
This will almost certainly increase the number of thermal runaway fires and deaths. There will also be more accidents involving electric cars as more and more electric cars are force-fed into the pipeline thanks to the Biden “mandates” (and determination to install more “fast” chargers).
Catastrophic Explosion of Phosphoryl Fluoride: An irreversible thermal event in a lithium-ion battery can be initiated in several ways: by spontaneous internal or external short-circuit, overcharging, external heating or fire, mechanical abuse etc. This may result in a thermal runaway caused by the exothermal reactions in the battery, eventually resulting in a fire and/or explosion.
The consequences of such an event in a large Li-ion battery pack can be severe due to the risk for failure propagation. The electrolyte in a lithium-ion battery is flammable and generally contains lithium hexafluorophosphate or other Li-salts containing fluorine. In the event of overheating the electrolyte will evaporate and eventually be vented out from the battery cells. The gas may or may not be ignited immediately. In case the emitted gas is not immediately ignited, the risk for a gas explosion at a later stage increases.
At elevated temperature, the fluorine content of the electrolyte and, to some extent, other parts of the battery such as the polyvinylidene fluoride binder in the electrodes, may form gases such as hydrogen fluoride HF, phosphorus pentafluoride and phosphoryl fluoride. Compounds containing fluorine can also be present as e.g. flame retardants in electrolyte and/or separator, in additives and in the electrode materials, e.g. fluorophosphates, adding additional sources of fluorine.
Significant amounts of HF, ranging between 20 and 200 mg/Wh of nominal battery energy capacity, were detected from the burning Li-ion batteries. The measured HF levels, verified using two independent measurement methods, indicate that HF can pose a serious toxic threat, especially for large Li-ion batteries and in confined environments.
And remind me again why we’re being pushed to go electric….. 🙈 It’s a disaster waiting to happen! I knew immediately this was an electric vehicle (now allegedly a hybrid). Governments must think we are stupid.
We're being pushed to go electric because electricity can be 100% controlled (limited and shut down) from the TOP. Oil and gas is more of a "people's fuel." It's cheap, plentiful (oil is abiotic and NOT formed by decayed organic matter), and it works every time.
Thank you. My warning to all has been to avoid any and all of this "green" push as it is just a means of control - not a way to help anyone or anything. Petroleum is and always will be available - fossil fuels is a misnomer and leads to way to much confusion. Internal combustion is a marvel that we should enjoy!!
May I suggest Feudalism into which you can include as subparts of it, any 'ism you find that fits. BUT ultimately it is Feudalism at the centre meaning Slavery 100% or Serfdom which is a slightly relaxed form of Slavery though with a control system that can remove any supposed freedoms at will of the controlling entity.
Also Lithium ion batteries on fire make their own oxygen so smothering them does nothing. The Norwegians have come up with a method to put them out, but it requires saline at -20C. You know every fire department has that on hand. /s
You can’t even have a conversation about this problem without the EV acolytes screaming heresy and readying the pitchforks and torches.
Exactly. While lithium/Ion batteries are exploding all over the planet right now. This is not an anomaly. This is par for the course. This is a failed technology. Lithium/ion batteries should be banned. They're dangerous.
Never mind disposal. They are not being recycled despite the fact that we are told they are being recycled. They are being dumped in landfills where their toxic chemicals will leak for years.
Right again, Y! You're very much on top of this situation. If they had to REALLY recycle this stuff, the cost would run in the hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars. They're destroying the energy sector with this kind of strategy.
Clearly writers who know very little about burning writing to a population they hope knows even less. We use diesel for our truck and some of our equipment so always have it handy, however, we also keep gasoline handy for when we need to burn our burn piles as diesel will not do it - even when what we are burning is very dry and should light easily. Gasoline lights it right up every time. They would have been better off blaming it on the petrol engine, but they so hate diesel they showed their hand. Give me a diesel truck any day.
No. The 'fire vehicles' I refer to are for two people with a water tank on the back tray - not massive tankers. Diesel is chosen because they are less at risk of failing to start due evaporation of volatiles.
The analysis may well be correct, if the number plate was correct, but what an obnoxious, small minded and incredibly biased writeup that was.
No surprise then that the site is focussed on "clean energy" (ignoring the massive environmental impact) and the author is a vocal advocate of electric technology.
I was just about to post a link to the same video ( The Luton Airport Fire - DIESEL or a HYBRID? You decide. https://youtu.be/G-zKTqe19ss ) you've included in your substack. In it, he mentions and illustrates how the fire could've very probably started where it did and not further back as a pure EV fire would. The hybrid diesel has a small Lithium Ion battery ( illustrated @ 12.52 ) just behing the left front wheel, which is very likely the seat of the fire.
Can you imagine the laughing conversations, in the backrooms, about how they could trick us into buying and driving very expensive high intensity remote controllable bombs? As a status symbol as well!
People were scared off from Samsung phones after a lithium battery exploded on an airplane. Now they're pushed back into buying electric cars housing even bigger lithium batteries. Absolute goldfish memory.
Like most of the reports coming to us from legacy media: lies, lies and more lies. They are not particularly good at lying either. Granted, those accustomed to being spoon fed will swallow any pablum offered.
Unfortunately the online databases which link number plates to car descriptions do not distinguish diesel from diesel / hybrid types. Both come up as “diesel”.
This also seems to follow the overall trend of " You will own nothing and be happy." A trend toward limiting transportation options and thereby freedom of movement. This is part of a more complex story of covering up green initiatives at a lower level, and specifically targeting transportation at a higher level.
Examples include, but aren't limited to:
Amsterdam limiting flights in the name of Climate change.
France limiting airline flights.
French protests targeted cars, parking garages, transportation infrastructure, busses.
MSM stories about the horrors of travel, and how about the harms to the climate.
Cities imposing congestion taxes, vignette fees, tolls, etc.
I'd like to add a more recent, nonsensical news story out of Louisiana:
There is a reason why diesel is the preferred engine type in the hot hot outback of Australia.
It does not explode, it does not catch fire, and the fuel itself can handle the extreme temperatures better than petroleum.
A battery fire makes more sense.
The only times diesel or petrol vehicles every catch fire in the hot hot outback of Aus, is invariably due to electrical or mechanical failures. Never due to them being parked up doing nothing.
The only thing hot enough to start a fire on a diesel is the catalytic converter. We worry about that parking our diesel pickups in dry high grass in the pasture checking on cows. Clearly an electric vehicle is the most likely suspect with an internal short and runaway battery. My firefighter friends say they stay away and let it burn out... but in a tight, multistory parking garage it would be a huge problem, if a fire did start
Who will buy the carbon offsets for the car fire and related purchases of replacement new vehicles? Should I buy an Apple watch to appease Mother Nature and make up for this?
The vehicle on fire has been determined to be a hybrid vehicle. It, therefore, has an electric battery. In addition, other cars in that garage were also hybrid vehicles and this is what caused the intensity of the fire. This is NOT the fire gasoline makes. The Brit government is committed to going all-electric by 2030 and THIS is the cause of their blatant lying concerning this fire.
The great thing about Lithium-ion battery fires is this:
Electric car batteries are very high-voltage batteries — 400 volts is typical; 800 volts is becoming common — and they are fire-prone by design. A process called thermal runaway can trigger a fire without a spark — or an impact. This most commonly happens when the electric car is being charged, and it is why electric car fast-charging is always a potential fire problem–with every electric car.
This is why “fast” recharging is slow compared to refueling, which takes less than five minutes without any risk of fire from the pumping of fuel. But the “pumping” of volts is always a fire risk; it causes the battery to get hot, and that can lead not just to a fire but a very hot and hard-to-extinguish fire.
This is why “fast” charging of electric vehicles (EVs) takes 20 to 30 minutes or longer, and also why the charge is not to “full.” When you “fast” charge an EV, you only partially charge it — to about 80 percent of capacity in most cases. This is a necessary precautionary measure to reduce the risk of a fire. Which also reduces the EV’s range, and so necessitates another (and sooner) recharge.
But it does not eliminate the risk, which is inherent. And which will in all probability increase as “fast” charging increases, despite the fact that it is more risky, as far as risking thermal runaway, than letting the battery charge slowly, such as by plugging in to low-voltage household (120-volt) current.
The problem with that, of course, is that it takes several (6 to 12) hours to recharge an electric car’s batteries that way, and most people do not want to wait that long or plan their lives around recharging. Most people who just want a car to work are not likely to be willing to tolerate such waits and will insist on “fast” and faster charging, in order to avoid the wait. And they will be “fast” charging more frequently.
This will almost certainly increase the number of thermal runaway fires and deaths. There will also be more accidents involving electric cars as more and more electric cars are force-fed into the pipeline thanks to the Biden “mandates” (and determination to install more “fast” chargers).
Catastrophic Explosion of Phosphoryl Fluoride: An irreversible thermal event in a lithium-ion battery can be initiated in several ways: by spontaneous internal or external short-circuit, overcharging, external heating or fire, mechanical abuse etc. This may result in a thermal runaway caused by the exothermal reactions in the battery, eventually resulting in a fire and/or explosion.
The consequences of such an event in a large Li-ion battery pack can be severe due to the risk for failure propagation. The electrolyte in a lithium-ion battery is flammable and generally contains lithium hexafluorophosphate or other Li-salts containing fluorine. In the event of overheating the electrolyte will evaporate and eventually be vented out from the battery cells. The gas may or may not be ignited immediately. In case the emitted gas is not immediately ignited, the risk for a gas explosion at a later stage increases.
At elevated temperature, the fluorine content of the electrolyte and, to some extent, other parts of the battery such as the polyvinylidene fluoride binder in the electrodes, may form gases such as hydrogen fluoride HF, phosphorus pentafluoride and phosphoryl fluoride. Compounds containing fluorine can also be present as e.g. flame retardants in electrolyte and/or separator, in additives and in the electrode materials, e.g. fluorophosphates, adding additional sources of fluorine.
Significant amounts of HF, ranging between 20 and 200 mg/Wh of nominal battery energy capacity, were detected from the burning Li-ion batteries. The measured HF levels, verified using two independent measurement methods, indicate that HF can pose a serious toxic threat, especially for large Li-ion batteries and in confined environments.
And remind me again why we’re being pushed to go electric….. 🙈 It’s a disaster waiting to happen! I knew immediately this was an electric vehicle (now allegedly a hybrid). Governments must think we are stupid.
We're being pushed to go electric because electricity can be 100% controlled (limited and shut down) from the TOP. Oil and gas is more of a "people's fuel." It's cheap, plentiful (oil is abiotic and NOT formed by decayed organic matter), and it works every time.
Thank you. My warning to all has been to avoid any and all of this "green" push as it is just a means of control - not a way to help anyone or anything. Petroleum is and always will be available - fossil fuels is a misnomer and leads to way to much confusion. Internal combustion is a marvel that we should enjoy!!
Control….. why do these maniacs want to control us?? What is the point? Hate them.
Leninism.
May I suggest Feudalism into which you can include as subparts of it, any 'ism you find that fits. BUT ultimately it is Feudalism at the centre meaning Slavery 100% or Serfdom which is a slightly relaxed form of Slavery though with a control system that can remove any supposed freedoms at will of the controlling entity.
Because they have convinced themselves that we can control the climate by driving battery cars.
The climate "crisis" is bogus. There IS no climate crisis. They're just using it to get control over US. They lie about EVERYTHING.
Also Lithium ion batteries on fire make their own oxygen so smothering them does nothing. The Norwegians have come up with a method to put them out, but it requires saline at -20C. You know every fire department has that on hand. /s
You can’t even have a conversation about this problem without the EV acolytes screaming heresy and readying the pitchforks and torches.
I am interested to know your background as you have explained this beautifully.
It's a pastiche of things I've found on the internet. Creative plagiarism.
We’ll put ! And honest .
There is a good analysis at :
https://covexit.substack.com/p/a-diesel-car-and-an-electric-vehicle
It was a Range Rover Sport diesel hybrid car and of course the battery started it not the diesel part of the car.
A "diesel fire". That happens all the time!
Exactly. While lithium/Ion batteries are exploding all over the planet right now. This is not an anomaly. This is par for the course. This is a failed technology. Lithium/ion batteries should be banned. They're dangerous.
Never mind disposal. They are not being recycled despite the fact that we are told they are being recycled. They are being dumped in landfills where their toxic chemicals will leak for years.
Right again, Y! You're very much on top of this situation. If they had to REALLY recycle this stuff, the cost would run in the hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars. They're destroying the energy sector with this kind of strategy.
The EPA, which wants to regulate the mud puddle in your back yard, has said nothing about the disposition of spent Lithium-ion batteries.
And then we have the extreme environmental damage being done via mining for these metals and minerals. MUCH more damaging than oil spills.
Clearly writers who know very little about burning writing to a population they hope knows even less. We use diesel for our truck and some of our equipment so always have it handy, however, we also keep gasoline handy for when we need to burn our burn piles as diesel will not do it - even when what we are burning is very dry and should light easily. Gasoline lights it right up every time. They would have been better off blaming it on the petrol engine, but they so hate diesel they showed their hand. Give me a diesel truck any day.
RIGHT??? Diesel don't burn well....I have 3 diesel trucks....I know about diesel. Ever tried to light a fire using diesel?
Of course. That's why fire workers have diesel vehicles.
Not really. Fire departments have diesel engines bc you cant get a gas engine big enough to move a 40,000lb truck and pump 2000gpm of water at 150psi.
Also there are a limited number of all-electric fire trucks in service in the US right now.
No. The 'fire vehicles' I refer to are for two people with a water tank on the back tray - not massive tankers. Diesel is chosen because they are less at risk of failing to start due evaporation of volatiles.
The analysis may well be correct, if the number plate was correct, but what an obnoxious, small minded and incredibly biased writeup that was.
No surprise then that the site is focussed on "clean energy" (ignoring the massive environmental impact) and the author is a vocal advocate of electric technology.
I was just about to post a link to the same video ( The Luton Airport Fire - DIESEL or a HYBRID? You decide. https://youtu.be/G-zKTqe19ss ) you've included in your substack. In it, he mentions and illustrates how the fire could've very probably started where it did and not further back as a pure EV fire would. The hybrid diesel has a small Lithium Ion battery ( illustrated @ 12.52 ) just behing the left front wheel, which is very likely the seat of the fire.
Governments are fire hazards.
Can you imagine the laughing conversations, in the backrooms, about how they could trick us into buying and driving very expensive high intensity remote controllable bombs? As a status symbol as well!
People were scared off from Samsung phones after a lithium battery exploded on an airplane. Now they're pushed back into buying electric cars housing even bigger lithium batteries. Absolute goldfish memory.
Not so keen to be on a car ferry, now.
The bull shitting has reached spiritual levels. Diesel does not ignite easily.
I love that!🤣 you are correct " the bullshitting has reached spiritual levels"
Like most of the reports coming to us from legacy media: lies, lies and more lies. They are not particularly good at lying either. Granted, those accustomed to being spoon fed will swallow any pablum offered.
Greenwashing! Loll. Love it.
If it was diesel, there’d be black smoke.
There is a special section in Hades for UK propagandist’s posing as journalists or government “experts”.
Diesel, under pressure, and sprayed upon a hot turbo will ignite. Also, evidence indicating it was a diesel, only, based on its license plate and DMV information provided in the following article: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/10/15/land-rovers-keep-catching-fire-but-evs-get-blamed-for-luton-carpark-fire/
Land Rovers are maintenance intensive mechanical rattle traps. Lovely interiors but awful machines; kind of like a beauty queen that can’t cook.
Unfortunately the online databases which link number plates to car descriptions do not distinguish diesel from diesel / hybrid types. Both come up as “diesel”.
This was definitely NOT a diesel machine. Diesel gas will not cause cement to melt as this lithium/ion battery did.
Where did you find (and confirm) the license plate?
I worked in battery r&d and have seen many lithium fires. Looks like a lithium fire to me.
This also seems to follow the overall trend of " You will own nothing and be happy." A trend toward limiting transportation options and thereby freedom of movement. This is part of a more complex story of covering up green initiatives at a lower level, and specifically targeting transportation at a higher level.
Examples include, but aren't limited to:
Amsterdam limiting flights in the name of Climate change.
France limiting airline flights.
French protests targeted cars, parking garages, transportation infrastructure, busses.
MSM stories about the horrors of travel, and how about the harms to the climate.
Cities imposing congestion taxes, vignette fees, tolls, etc.
I'd like to add a more recent, nonsensical news story out of Louisiana:
https://substack.com/@thestraightjuice/note/c-42410869?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=288p2b
There is a reason why diesel is the preferred engine type in the hot hot outback of Australia.
It does not explode, it does not catch fire, and the fuel itself can handle the extreme temperatures better than petroleum.
A battery fire makes more sense.
The only times diesel or petrol vehicles every catch fire in the hot hot outback of Aus, is invariably due to electrical or mechanical failures. Never due to them being parked up doing nothing.
Let’s park one of these super duper electric vehicles where Trudeau sleeps at night👍👍
The only thing hot enough to start a fire on a diesel is the catalytic converter. We worry about that parking our diesel pickups in dry high grass in the pasture checking on cows. Clearly an electric vehicle is the most likely suspect with an internal short and runaway battery. My firefighter friends say they stay away and let it burn out... but in a tight, multistory parking garage it would be a huge problem, if a fire did start
Please update when it’s known whether an electric car was involved or not. It should come out in a few days.
Yeah it’ll come out about like “cause of death” comes out. Like never.
Who will buy the carbon offsets for the car fire and related purchases of replacement new vehicles? Should I buy an Apple watch to appease Mother Nature and make up for this?